From: Steve Ross-Talbot [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> The language that we end up with needs to reflect what we need to  
> describe a wide variety of policies and needs to dove tail into  
> supporting a sensible methodology.

We need to make sure we’re focused on an area of governance for which a 
standard language could be applied.  I think we’ll see much greater success if 
it focused on run-time governance and work backward in the development 
lifecycle.  We (the software development industry) have a much better handle on 
the types of policies that should be exchanged between systems as part of 
service invocations.  Trying to express policies that should be exchanged as 
part of developing a system is far, far more challenging, and will be much more 
difficult to standardize.  

What’s interesting is that the former item is much more about having 
standards/languages, whereas the latter is much more about process/methodology. 
 If you want methodology for run-time governance, I think we’re already on the 
right track with WS-MetadataExchange.  I’m pretty sure I was introduced to that 
by reading the whitepaper published by IBM & Microsoft entitled “Reliable 
Message Delivery in a Web Services World: A Proposed Architecture and Roadmap” 
in March of 2003.  It can be found at:
http://msdn.microsoft.com/library/default.asp?url=/library/en-us/dnglobspec/html/ws-rm-exec-summary.asp
  That was obviously some time ago, and I’m sure most on this list are familiar 
with it.  As a practitioner, I really look forward to the day when the 
platforms start to support this. Unfortunately, as Anne pointed out, WS-Policy 
is just a wrapper.  Without domain specific policy assertions, WS-Mex won’t do 
us much good.

-tb


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