> JBoss is toast.
> Nope. Still
the most prevalent open source app server.
- yeah, JBoss is still one of the most prevalent
open src app servers. I agree.
> J2EE is dead.
> For me it was
still birth.
- Don’t quite agree, there still are plenty
of organizations, in this part of the world, that live and breath J2EE (read
also as EJB).
> Java is moot.
> That's just
crazy talk.
- agreed.
> Long live SCA.
> Why?
- What is SCA??
> Long live Ruby.
- Well, Ruby is almost like Python. So whatever happened
to Python??!!
Cheers
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-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf Of jeffrschneider
Sent: Sunday,
December 18, 2005 9:08 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [service-orientated-architecture]
Re: Apache & Tuscany
>
JBoss is toast.
> Nope. Still
the most prevalent open source app server.
>
> J2EE is dead.
> For me it was
still birth.
If J2EE was still birth, that makes JBoss what?
The best instance of
the still births?
> Java is moot.
> That's just
crazy talk.
JP - Java hit alpha2 in november of 1995. I know
because I quit
my "stable" job to do full time Java
consulting that month. Java had
a nice life - and will continue to have a nice
life. As languages
mature so does their ability to innovate due to
legacy customer
constraints. No big deal - just how things go.
> Long live SCA.
> Why?
SCA cleans up J2EE API mistakes, it binds
components and services,
introduces encapsulation for DSL's and provides a
uniform data
model. Nothing is perfect, but SCA represents the
innovation that
we've seen at the open source level (Spring/IoC/etc.)
taken to the
next level and packaged by major vendors, enabling
Very Large
customers an easy buy/support model.
> Long live Ruby.
> Now you sound
like a zealous programmer that has no sense of
> reality.
Like I didnt' hear that about Java in 1996 :-)
You can continue to tell your customers to NOT use
SCA or Ruby and
to find innovation in JBoss and Java 5.0. Your
call.
I will tell my customers to leverage coarse
grained services that
are loosely wired together, leveraging a component
model containing
domain specific languages. And that they should
use the most dynamic
and participative presentation and collaboration
framework available
to them, regardless of the language. IMHO, failure
to acknowledge
the Ruby advantage and associated movement is a
mistake.
Now, many of my customers will not be able to make
the
WOA/SOA/SCA/DSL transition anytime soon. That's
cool.
JBoss/WebSphere/WebLogic and are just fine for
stabilized
environments. More agressive shops will likely
look at
Spring/Hybernate/etc. And even more aggressive
shops will do
WOA/SOA/SCA/DSL. I.T. shops that do not seek
advantage or innovation
will likely not seek change.
I'm glad we agreed on 'peace on earth' and 'good
will to men' ;-)
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