Something else to know would be the rate of adoption of J/JS. I have to say I do get the occasional question about it from customers but outside of this list I do not hear much about it.
Which products/vendors are offering J/JS support today? Thanks, Eric --- Gervas Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can get some information on it at my J/JS Group > (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/jini_javaspaces/files/), > but I believe > jini.org is the best source. What do you think on > this one, Gregg? > > J/JS is what I call one of Sun's Orphan Java > Technologies. I have > heard many stories (usually involving political > infighting) why they > never bothered to promote their Orphans, but I still > find it > incomprehensible. > > Gervas > > --- In > [email protected], > "Anne Thomas > Manes" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Jini/JavaSpaces is quite different from CORBA. > It's not at all a > > language-specific reinvention of the same old > thing. It's worth your > time to > > investigate it. > > > > Anne > > > > On 3/3/06, William Henry <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: > > > > > > Thanks Gregg. I'll have a deeper look at that > site. At first glance > > > this looks like a good environment for a > technology like Jini. I have > > > a friend that will be very interested in this > article. What's > > > interesting is the real time (ish) performance. > My friend has been in > > > this industry (high performance car data > collection. monitoring and > > > test and configuration etc) for years and can't > imagine moving from > > > embedded C to Java. I'll have to have him look > at this - he'll be > > > interested. I'd also be interested in > performance metrics and > > > performance satisfaction metrics for this > example. > > > > > > > I continue to be saddened by the loud voices > of ignorance that push > > > > away > > > > technologies such as Jini which have so much > to offer for those > > > > motivated enough > > > > to look. The problems of SOA and related > distributed computing are > > > > not simple. > > > > The Jini platform was put together by people > who understand the > > > > science. > > > > > > BTW many of us non-Jini-user folks understand > good science too. I'm > > > not pushing it away - I just think that it has > it's place and limits > > > like all technologies. > > > > > > > Your interest in native only integration is a > little > > > > alarming. To me, it says that your systems > are living on the > edge of > > > > performance, or software development > platforms/skills are limiting > > > > your choices. > > > > > > Money, licensing, existing incumbant technology, > existing high > > > performance, mission critical and > leave-well-enough alone > > > applications are often limiting my customers > choices. My customers > > > can't just throw out everything they have and > rewrite their > > > application in the next new fad of the month. > They've already > > > invested millions in these applications and are > doing $billions of > > > business with them. Nor can they insert a > wrapper layer that will > > > impact their high performance mission critical > systems - so they want > > > native integration to a standards-based outside > world. In other words > > > they don't want service enabling technology to > have a negative impact > > > on their service. (Hence why my customers also > tend to look more for > > > smart end-point integration than having to use > hub technology - this > > > may seem contradictory but it is not). > > > > > > Thanks for the link. I promise to make myself > less ignorant of Jini. > > > I have to say this: from my first look at Jini - > it looks a lot like > > > a reinvention of CORBA but without the language > independence > > > obviously. In fact it looks entirely like a Java > specific reinvention > > > of CORBA. (Which already has a Java language > binding. Why reinvent > > > this???) > > > > > > In fact when I go back to the F1 example I > wonder why someone > > > wouldn't use an embedded C CORBA ORB to solve > the problem? Like other > > > part so the automotive industry are now doing. > ?? > > > > > > William > > > > > > On Mar 2, 2006, at 10:30 AM, Gregg Wonderly > wrote: > > > > > > > William Henry wrote: > > > >> Okay has anyone else had enough of this? Is > this the Jini list > or the > > > >> SOA list? > > > > > > > > William, I'm sorry to strike a sour note with > my reponses. I've > > > > sat back and > > > > watched this list for some time and have seen, > as Gervas pointed > > > > out, many > > > > different themes passing through. I am > particularly concerned > > > > about the > > > > re-creation of technologies by the ignorant. > So, I am sitting here > > > > trying to > > > > communicate which "features of desire" for the > week, are already in > > > > place in the > > > > Jini platform. I've probably (some of the > responses to yours say > > > > clearly) done > > > > a horrible job of providing a convincing > argument. > > > > > > > > I continue to be saddened by the loud voices > of ignorance that push > > > > away > > > > technologies such as Jini which have so much > to offer for those > > > > motivated enough > > > > to look. The problems of SOA and related > distributed computing are > > > > not simple. > > > > The Jini platform was put together by people > who understand the > > > > science. The > > > > fact that the platform doesn't come with a web > services endpoint, > > > > and that there > > > > is not one visible in the Jini community, > should speak to where the > > > > real needs > > > > are. There are, of course other technologies > that are starting to > > > > reveal an > > > > understanding of the science, and the needs of > the users. > > > > > > > > Jini has no lack of ability to provide > performant solutions that > > > > interface to a > > > > wide range of entities. Your interest in > native only integration > > > > is a little > > > > alarming. To me, it says that your systems > are living on the > edge of > > > > performance, or software development > platforms/skills are limiting > > > > your choices. > > > > > > > > Look at > > > > > <http://developers.sun.com/learning/javaoneonline/2005/coolstuff/ > > > > TS-1915.html> > > > > for an example of a performant system created > to interface with low > > > > level > === message truncated === __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com Yahoo! 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