Interesting. What are you users' reactions to this issue? Gervas
--- In [email protected], "Steve Jones" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > And I'm the other person on there.... > > From talking to various vendors around Biz/IT alignment the message is > always the same > > 1) We agree its important > 2) What does the product look like > 3) How will it impact our other products > > Until they actually have a product its very hard for a product company to > admit that something is really important, and until the analysts put a > quadrant up they aren't going to worry too much. > > NONE of them currently have a service modelling tool that works at the > business layer. Microsoft Motion is about the closest but its not terribly > flexible (IMO). > > Steve > > > On 26/06/06, Gervas Douglas <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > <<Capgemini continued their campaign for Service Oriented Architecture > > (SOA) to be recognized not as a series of new technologies but as a change > > in the way that businesses manage and deliver their IT systems at last > > week's OASIS symposium. > > > > "Capgemini's approach to SOA has always been about aligning IT to the > > business," said Andy Mulholland, Global Chief Technology Officer, Capgemini. > > "For SOA to actually succeed and deliver value to organizations it must aim > > to represent the business view, not the technology view." > > > > Capgemini's Steve Jones, CTO for Application Development Transformation, > > used the OASIS symposium in San Francisco to outline how SOA is about being > > more about helping business and IT work together than about the technologies > > currently aligned to SOA. Capgemini firmly believe that for SOA to succeed > > it must not be another technology buzzword; instead it should be about > > changing the way IT delivers systems by making those systems aligned to how > > the business operates. > > > > "The purpose of our presentation was to underline how IT organizations > > need to change to align to how their businesses operate." said Jones. "Too > > many IT organizations are current organized for their own benefit rather > > than truly understanding how they need to adapt to changing business needs. > > SOA can be an enabler of this change if it is used to properly understand > > how the business operates and the requirements on IT to deliver this > > business service architecture." > > > > The presentation outlined the interoperability chasm that currently exists > > in many organizations between business and IT, with IT focused on individual > > projects and technologies, while the business looks at the value of whole > > functions and strategy. The business often fears that SOA is yet another > > three letter acronym, with new product procurement and large strategic > > projects from IT that rarely deliver the expected, or sometimes any, > > business benefit. The presentation detailed how business process and service > > architectures can be brought together to create a single approach, rather > > than having two distinct and competitive solutions to the same problem. > > > > "Capgemini's approach to this problem is to view SOA as being about the S > > and the A, Service and Architecture," said Mark Pettit, Head of Integration > > at Capgemini. "A properly established Business Service Architecture helps > > both sides work together to deliver a common view of both business and IT. > > The Services give context and control to the processes, while the processes > > explain how the services operate and are consumed. Using Capgemini's > > Integrated Architecture Framework (IAF) we are able to help our clients use > > SOA not as a new technology solution but as a way to change both systems > > delivery and the IT organization that under takes it." > > > > The presentation further outlined how Enterprise Architecture enables > > organizations to better enable flexibility at the "edge" while retaining > > control in the centre. A critical factor in this is moving away from > > monolithic projects towards more flexible Service based programs. >> > > > > You can read this in full at: > > http://www.consultant-news.com/article_display.aspx?p=adp&id=2797 > > > > [Disclaimer: Mark Pettit is a charming young intellectual who has bought > > me many drinks in the past!] > > > > I like the above extract as you know I tend to bang on about the upper > > business-centric layers which SOA hopefully serves so well. Capgemini of > > course have a background in business as well as IT consultancy, as do the > > big consultancies coming out of the big accountancy firms. > > > > The biggest, visibly proactive player in the SOA arena has to be IBM. IBM > > traditionally has tended to sell more to top management as opposed to just > > DP/IT managers I am going back now to an era when their competitors sold > > to the DP Manager, as did IBM, the difference being that IBM also took the > > Managing Director out to lunch (proper business lunches in those days where > > even IBMers were allowed to drink) or a game of golf. Since IBM Global > > Services bought PWC's consulting arm, they have had even more reason to > > promote business-IT alignment solutions. However, the stuff about SOA and > > IBM that I come across on the Web seems to be very much at the technical > > level. Would any IBMers in this Group care to correct this impression? > > > > While we are at it, would anyone from other major SOA vendors such as BEA > > or Oracle like to explain their company's position on SOA and business-IT > > alignment or at least refer us to texts on this theme? > > > > Gervas > > > > > > > > Gervas Douglas > > > > +44-7763-109 116 > > > > http://www.aisl-services.com > > > > > > > > > > > > <http://445134.sigclick.mailinfo.com/sigclick/06000702/0B074E06/050C4E01/22423832.jpg> > > > > > > > ------------------------ Yahoo! Groups Sponsor --------------------~--> Something is new at Yahoo! Groups. Check out the enhanced email design. http://us.click.yahoo.com/SISQkA/gOaOAA/yQLSAA/NhFolB/TM --------------------------------------------------------------------~-> Yahoo! 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