On Aug 18, 2006, at 1:59 PM, Lukas Barton wrote: > Stefan Tilkov wrote: >>> The main problem is in tools (and you cannot do MDA without >>> tools). I learned that majority of tools support OOAD (Object >>> oriented analysis and design). Most of them only transforms class >>> models into static object structure. That’s useful. It could save >>> time during developmnet phase. Etc… but does not help with SOA. >> I don't understand this statement. First of all, lots of tools >> support generation from other models; e.g. it's easily possible to >> use UML activity diagrams to describe a business process and >> generate e.g. BPEL from it. Secondly, I don't see how generating >> WSDLs from UML class models "does not help with SOA". > I tried generating BPEL from activity diagram in IBM Software > Architect and from BPM model in Borland Together and creating full > model took me longer time than writing BPEL XML "by hand". > Also possibilities to integrate that model with other models to get > BPEL itnegrated with other generated artifacts were poor. > May be I should try other tools. >
Very true - and the tools' fault. > I agree that tools does help with SOA, but on low level of > abstraction... > >> Which is exactly my point - the fault is not in UML, nor OO, but >> in using it wrongly. > I agree. > But the way you use UML, nor OO, depends on tools that support it. > Let's give an example of tools that leads developer to use it rigth > way? (eg. that solve problems like SOA enablement of legacy > applications...). > All I've seen (and used in practice) so far were custom-built solutions. (In my case, many of them using my company's product, which I'm explicitly not plugging here.) I'm not aware of any good out-of-the-box SOA modeling tool, UML-based or not, available today. Stefan -- Stefan Tilkov, http://www.innoq.com/blog/st/ > Lukas > > Yahoo! Groups Links <*> To visit your group on the web, go to: http://groups.yahoo.com/group/service-orientated-architecture/ <*> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <*> Your use of Yahoo! Groups is subject to: http://docs.yahoo.com/info/terms/
