Steve

Sorry we didn't publish all the data in graph format. The Mesh-5000 is doing
pretty complex XML processing. The String-5000 (which is in the excel
spreadsheet - we will add it to the page shortly) number was 444/sec. This
is still doing some reasonable processing (i.e. creating an array of 5000
strings versus a single big string).

Paul

On 1/31/07, Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

Looking on the graphsi was looking at the Mesh-5000 responses (hence 27
tpc), I can't see the string-5000 one on the page (I may be going blind
however).

400 reqs/s would definately be superb, I just didn't see that when looking
at the Mesh-5000 numbers.

Steve


On 31/01/07, Paul Fremantle <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

>   Steve
>
> Please remember that these messages are being parsed into Java objects
> and also echo'ed. So this isn't a good comparison with a traditional
> messaging system (like MQ) where the messages are typically one-way and the
> actual parsing processing of the body isn't considered part of the test.
>
> The closest we did to your test was the echoStrings-5000 test which had
> a message size of 200k (therefore 400k throughput per message) and we got
> more that 400req/s which was completely saturating the 1Gb/s ethernet
> segment. I don't think you can really ask more?!
>
> Paul
>
>
> On 1/30/07, Steve Jones < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >  Paul,
> >
> > Its interesting stuff, but I'd certainly say that "serious work" in
> > XML land can often be significantly above 4-6k, and often (when using
> > industry standard schemas) in the 200-500k range and pretty complex
> > structures.  Which means around 30 tps from the graph which isn't very
> > much.  One of the issues in industry is that there are great reasons to use
> > industry standard schemas but they are pretty evil things as they aim to
> > cover all cases, this makes them very inefficient.
> >
> > Have you folks done anything around how to scale B2B and domain to
> > domain scenarios with large documents?  From my wikipedia ripping experience
> > I'd expect StAX to massively outperform JAXB due to the large envelope but
> > small content pieces of those schemas.
> >
> > I'd be happy to provide some test schemas that I've seen cause
> > trouble.
> >
> > Steve
> >
> >
> > On 30/01/07, Paul Fremantle < [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> > >   A while back we had a discussion on whether Web Services are slow.
> > >
> > > Here is some data that I think concludes that SOAP can scale to high
> > > transaction rates (e.g. 300 million transactions a day). The test
> > > isn't a real-world test, but it does show that the overhead of SOAP
> > > processing is minimal with the latest toolkits.
> > >
> > > Some quotes from the article.
> > > ----------
> > >
> > > This article shows the latest performance results of Apache Axis2
> > > vs.
> > > Codehaus XFire, both Java implementations. The results demonstrate
> > > that modern Web Services engines can perform at very high
> > > transaction
> > > rates.
> > >
> > > Axis2 using the default ADB binding framework shows outstanding
> > > performance, with consistently better results than XFire/JAXB or
> > > Axis2/JAXB.
> > >
> > > Using either toolkit, the overhead of using XML and SOAP is no
> > > longer
> > > a limiting factor in writing distributed systems for most
> > > applications
> > > (with may be the exception of trading floors!). While these tests do
> > > not perform 'real' work, the fact that a XML messaging system can
> > > scale to more than 10 million transactions an hour on a single
> > > quad-core server shows that Web services can be used for significant
> > > systems applications.
> > >
> > > ---------
> > >
> > > Read more here: http://wso2.org/library/588
> > >
> > > My disclaimer - I co-authored the document and I'm a committer on
> > > the
> > > Axis2 and other Apache WS projects.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Paul Fremantle
> > >
> > > http://bloglines.com/blog/paulfremantle
> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <paul%40wso2.com>
> > >
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> Paul Fremantle
> VP/Technology, WSO2 and OASIS WS-RX TC Co-chair
>
> http://bloglines.com/blog/paulfremantle
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Oxygenating the Web Service Platform", www.wso2.com
>
>





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