I believe it was George Carlin who said "anyone who drives slower than me is a moron, and anyone who drives faster than me is a maniac!" Each person's degree of experience is unique and valuable to the ecosystem of developers/architects/leaders. Even among enterprise architects, Gregg, each and every one of us has unique experiences that involved really hard problems to be solved, which makes all others seem like childs play. Dave
-----Original Message----- From: "Nick Gall" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Tuesday, Nov 27, 2007 12:13 pm Subject: Re: [service-orientated-architecture] SOA is ovah?! To: [email protected] CC: "Gregg Wonderly" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>Reply-To: [email protected] Ahhh... this brings back fond memories of the midrange server vs. mainframe server wars, where the mainframers looked down on midrange systems (Unix, VMS) and scoffed at how untrained/uneducated/incapable their developers were when it came to building 'real' enterprise systems. It's fun to see the youngsters now walking in the shoes of the oldsters and denigrating the next generation of untrained/uneducated/incapable developers, ie web developers. The more things change the more they stay the same. There must be something wrong with me ( psychological neoteny perhaps?), cause each time around I'm on the side of the new kids on the block. -- Nick On Nov 27, 2007 11:10 AM, Gregg Wonderly <[EMAIL PROTECTED] > wrote: > A lot of people were employeed in the late 1990s and early 2000s to build web > sites using JSP,ASP and HTML. From these 'programming' experiences (single > threaded, non-concurrent, non-distrubuted), they became educated enough to > think > about building server based applications (J2EE, SQL, Servlets etc). Now, we > have a whole sewer full of 'programmers' that do not understand the > engineering > principals that will keep them from getting hit by cars and bicyles as they > get > onto the main road of enterprise level computing system development. > > Instead, they reach down into the sewer and grab some friends and comfort and > keep using those old, frail technologies because that is what they have > experience and (in practice) education for. > > The resources are a plenty, they are just largely > untrained/uneducated/incapable > and thus can't make the decisions and execute with any degree of success. > > Gregg Wonderly > > -- Nick Gall Phone: +1.781.608.5871 AOL IM: Nicholas Gall Yahoo IM: nick_gall_1117 MSN IM: (same as email) Google Talk: (same as email) Email: nick.gall AT-SIGN gmail DOT com Weblog: http://ironick.typepad.com/ironick/ Furl: http://www.furl.net/members/ngall
