I have to say I completely disagree, from my definition of T-SOA (Web Services/BPEL/vendors/etc).
Changing the way you think about systems is the most effective way to change the way you implement them. Whether that uses new technologies or not is irrelevant (or at best semi-relevant). Business change programmes do not require new technologies and indeed are often best done when the technologies remain effectively the same but the context and application of those technologies changes. For me B-SOA is absolutely about the realisation of the solution, it is exactly that which drives it, which drives the governance and which drives the organisation and methods for delivery. T-SOA is just the plumbing. So this either means that a) I completely disagree or b) You are including technical delivery methods (people, process, commercials) within T-SOA which isn't where I'd put that stuff. B-SOA absolutely could just be BS if it was just about the powerpoint pictures and then waving hands between there and reality. My experience however is that its the Business Services (the BS if you will) that actually drives the delivery and puts T-SOA where it belongs... in a technology box. Steve 2008/11/15 Nick Gall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > B-SOA (without T-SOA) == BS-OA > > just as much as T-SOA without B-SOA == BS-OA > In other words, a free floating set of new biz concepts (B-SOA) without some > new concepts for realizing them (T-SOA) is just BS. And some new concepts > for realization (T-SOA) without new guiding biz concepts is just a different > kind of BS. > > -- Nick > Nick Gall > Phone: +1.781.608.5871 > AOL IM: Nicholas Gall > Yahoo IM: nick_gall_1117 > MSN IM: (same as email) > Google Talk: (same as email) > Email: nick.gall AT-SIGN gmail DOT com > Weblog: http://ironick.typepad.com/ironick/ > Furl: http://www.furl.net/members/ngall > > > On Fri, Nov 14, 2008 at 10:32 AM, Steve Jones <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > wrote: >> >> Reading some things about SOA recently and speaking with clients I'm >> getting a consistent feedback that T-SOA is being seen as a failure >> and that companies are looking more and more at a B-SOA approach as >> being the right way and driving change through structural, >> organisational and governance with technology being part of the story. >> >> Now clearly I'm HUGELY biased because its what I've been campaigning >> for years, but are others seeing this as well? >> >> Steve > >
