Just wondering if the companies who are not focusing on metrics are not doing 
it just for SOA or if they just don't do it period.

I agree mostly with Annes' points. I'll add that IMHO, I view dramatic changes 
as the resulting goal that can be obtained by several phases rather than a 
single giant step - set the goal and create do-able steps to reach that goal. 
:-)

H.Ozawa

--- In [email protected], Gervas Douglas 
<gervas.doug...@...> wrote:
>
> 
>       <<SOA: It's Dead, Jim!
> 
> Blogger: Anne Thomas Manes 
> <http://www.burtongroup.com/AboutUs/Bios/PrintBio.aspx?Id=94>
> 
> Bones <http://bgaps.typepad.com/.a/6a00d8345208e269e201156faa14d5970c-pi>
> 
> <http://www.burtongroup.com/AboutUs/Bios/PrintBio.aspx?Id=94>
> 
> My pronouncement of SOA's death back in January sparked quite a lively 
> debate. According to Joe McKendrick, the debate is still raging 
> <http://blogs.zdnet.com/service-oriented/?p=2023>.
> 
> Just in case anyone is still confused by what I said/meant when I said 
> "SOA is Dead; Long Live Services 
> <http://apsblog.burtongroup.com/2009/01/soa-is-dead-long-live-services.html>":
>  
> "SOA" as a term has lost its luster, but "SOA" as a practice is 
> essential for all organizations going forward. Many organizations have 
> invested millions into SOA, and they have little benefit to show for it. 
> Some organizations are worse off than when they started. Given the tight 
> economy, business people aren't particularly interested in pouring more 
> money into what looks like a sinking ship. If you want to get funding 
> this year for your SOA initiative, you should probably avoid using the 
> word "SOA" and instead focus your efforts on building "services" that 
> deliver measurable value to the business.
> 
> Now, that's not to say that no one has succeeded with SOA. IBM and 
> Software AG both trotted out a number of great success stories this 
> month at their conferences, IMPACT 
> <http://www-01.ibm.com/software/websphere/events/impact2009/> and SOA 
> Summit <http://www.soasummit2009.com/>respectively. In particular, 
> everyone was raving about the Coca-Cola case study 
> <http://www.ebizq.net/blogs/soainaction/2009/05/coca-cola_service-enables_its.php>
>  
> at SOA Summit. Burton Group also has some great success stories on deck 
> for Catalyst 2009 <http://www.catalyst.burtongroup.com/Na09/>. But true 
> SOA success is hard to come by. Our definition of "success" is positive 
> return on investment. If you've invested $5 million over 5 years, your 
> initiative is not successful unless you've generated >$5 million in 
> positive business outcomes. 
> 
> Which brings me to the real topic of this post: Proof that SOA is still 
> dead.
> 
> According to a recent Gartner survey 
> <http://www.itpro.co.uk/610889/soa-roi-proving-elusive-claims-gartner>, 
> 40% of users do not measure how long it takes to achieve a return on 
> their SOA investment. The survey also shows that 50% of those companies 
> that have not yet started a SOA initiative did so because they could not 
> articulate and demonstrate its business value. Without a means to 
> measure value, SOA initiatives are doomed. Quoting from the IT PRO 
> article summarizing the Gartner survey:
> 
> Massimo Pezzini, research vice president and fellow at Gartner, said 
> that many companies were approaching SOA projects with excessive 
> expectations and little awareness of the effort, resources and time 
> needed to achieve any benefits.
> 
> "Some SOA projects are perceived to have failed when in fact there are 
> simply no well established metrics to evaluate success," he said. The 
> pressure of such expectation, coupled with the promises of SOA 
> technology vendors, were leading companies to over-spend on technology 
> but under-spend from an organisational and governance viewpoint, Paolo 
> Malinverno, research vice president at Gartner added.
> 
> "So they come to the conclusion that SOA is expensive and doesn't 
> deliver," Malinverno said.
> 
> 
> As David Linthicum said in his commentary 
> <http://www.infoworld.com/d/architecture/soa-roi-does-not-seem-be-priority-265>
>  
> on the report, "Shame on you guys!"
> 
> There was a bit of discussion in the Twitterverse 
> <http://search.twitter.com/search?q=soa+roi> yesterday among @madgreek65 
> <http://twitter.com/madgreek65> @richardveryard 
> <http://twitter.com/richardveryard> @neilwd <http://twitter.com/neilwd> 
> @davidlithicum <http://twitter.com/DavidLinthicum> @jhurwitz 
> <http://twitter.com/jhurwitz> @Lowrain <http://twitter.com/Lowrain> 
> @cobiacomm <http://twitter.com/cobiacomm> and myself (@atmanes 
> <http://twitter.com/atmanes>) on this report. I loved Neil Ward-Dutton's 
> characterization of ROI measurement as a "minority sport". David has 
> written quite a bit on measuring SOA RIO. As he said in one of his 
> tweets, "Google SOA, ROI, and Linthicum". Burton Group subscribers 
> should also take a look at "Building the Business Case for Service 
> Oriented Architecture Investment 
> <http://www.burtongroup.com/Client/Research/Document.aspx?cid=681>". I 
> also have a document scheduled to be released next month on developing 
> business value metrics: "Using Metrics Effectively: Proving and 
> Improving the Business Value of IT". We'll also be talking about 
> business value metrics at Catalyst. We have a few good case studies to 
> share.
> 
> I've seen two other recent indications of proof that SOA is still dead:
> 
> 1. Gartner just recently published its annual assessment 
> <http://www.gartner.com/DisplayDocument?ref=g_search&id=955112&subref=simplesearch>
>  
> of the application integration and middleware (AIM) market, which 
> experienced single digit growth in 2008. According to a review of the 
> report by Application Development Trends, "Middleware Market Hits the 
> Brakes in 2009 
> <http://adtmag.com/articles/2009/05/08/middleware-market-hits-the-brakes-in-2009.aspx>",
>  
> Gartner is projecting a 0.8 percent decline in the AIM market for this 
> year.
> 
> 2. Gartner reports that IBM holds 30.8% of the AIM market. Another 
> market study by Report Buyer 
> <http://telecom-expense-management-solutions.tmcnet.com/topics/telecom-expense-management/articles/55462-report-soa-infrastructure-industry-expected-reach-103-billion.htm>
>  
> asserts that IBM holds 70% of the SOA infrastructure market. So IBM 
> sales should be a pretty good indicator of the SOA infrastructure 
> market. And according to a tweet 
> <http://search.twitter.com/search?q=monkchips+leblanc>from James 
> Governor <http://twitter.com/monkchips> at IMPACT, "Robert LeBlanc GM, 
> software sales says clients are buying SOA in smaller chunks now." (I 
> interpret "buying SOA" to mean "buying SOA infrastructure software", 
> because we all know that you can't buy SOA.)
> 
> Now, of course, plenty of people continue to refute my claim that SOA is 
> dead. First in line is Steve Mills, Senior VP and Group Executive of IBM 
> Software. Joe McKendrick asked him for his take on the debate while he 
> was at IMPACT, and then faithfully wrote up his response 
> <http://blogs.zdnet.com/service-oriented/?p=2012>. Steve vehemently 
> supported my claim that SOA as a practice is essential going forward, 
> but he said nothing to refute the claim that business people have "come 
> to the conclusion that SOA is expensive and doesn't deliver." Robert 
> LeBlanc's report on SOA infrastructure sales demonstrates that IBM is 
> certainly feeling the effects of business people's disillusionment with SOA.
> 
> Other market sizing research firms disagree with the Gartner report. For 
> example, the Report Buyer survey cited above predicts that the SOA 
> infrastructure market will grow at an average rate of 17.1% over the 
> next 6 years. Assuming the economy recovers within the next 2 years, 
> this prediction seems reasonable -- but the growth will almost certainly 
> be back-loaded. I seriously doubt that we will see double digit growth 
> this year or next. I think Gartner has a better view of the more 
> immediate future.
> 
> My friends over at Forrester have also refuted my claim--sort of. Randy 
> Heffner <http://www.forrester.com/rb/search/results.jsp?N=0+11777> 
> published a document last week entitled, "SOA is Far From Dead, But it 
> Should Be Buried 
> <http://www.forrester.com/Research/Document/Excerpt/0,7211,54063,00.html>." 
> The title is a bit misleading. When Randy says SOA should be buried, he 
> means that it needs to be "buried inside a larger vision". Actually, I 
> think I said that in the original SOA Obituary 
> <http://apsblog.burtongroup.com/2009/01/soa-is-dead-long-live-services.html>:
> 
> Successful SOA (i.e., application re-architecture) requires disruption 
> to the status quo. SOA is not simply a matter of deploying new 
> technology and building service interfaces to existing applications; it 
> requires redesign of the application portfolio. And it requires a 
> massive shift in the way IT operates. The small select group of 
> organizations that has seen spectacular gains from SOA did so by 
> treating it as an agent of transformation. In each of these success 
> stories, SOA was just one aspect of the transformation effort. And 
> here's the secret to success: SOA needs to be part of something bigger. 
> If it isn't, then you need to ask yourself why you've been doing it.
> 
> The latest shiny new technology will not make things better. Incremental 
> integration projects will not lead to significantly reduced costs and 
> increased agility. If you want spectacular gains, then you need to make 
> a spectacular commitment to change.
> 
> Randy does refute my claim that organizations are reducing their SOA 
> investments, and he backs it up with data from a survey of 2,227 IT 
> executives. Joe McKendrick summarized the report here 
> <http://blogs.zdnet.com/service-oriented/?p=2053>. According to the 
> survey, 24% of users say that SOA has "delivered most or all of the 
> benefits expected", and 36% say it has "delivered enough of what they 
> expected to justify expanding their SOA adoption". And more to the 
> point, only 1% say they have "seen little or no benefit" and are cutting 
> back on SOA efforts. I presume that the remaining 39% have realized 
> modest benefits at best, but expect to maintain current investment levels.
> 
> A 24% success rate is a little higher than what we have directly 
> observed, but not horribly out of line. Besides, Burton Group doesn't 
> run statistically relevant surveys. The 1% "cutting back on SOA efforts" 
> is much lower than our observations, though. Many of our clients (Global 
> 2000 companies and government agencies) have reduced their SOA 
> investments this year. It also contradicts the drop in sales reported by 
> IBM and predicted by Gartner.
> 
> I'd like to see how the middle groups (75%) in this survey correlate 
> with the 40% of users that aren't measuring ROI. We've found that many 
> organizations can't definitively say how well their SOA initiatives are 
> going because they lack hard metrics and baselines.
> 
> It's quite possible that these organizations have reduced spending on 
> SOA infrastructure, and what they mean is that they are applying SOA 
> practices in a larger percentage of projects. That's what John Rymer 
> <http://twitter.com/johnrrymer> implied at his keynote speech at SOA 
> Summit. As reported by Joe McKendrick 
> <http://blogs.zdnet.com/service-oriented/?p=2053>:
> 
> In his presentation kicking off the summit, John Rymer said that 
> Forrester's surveys show plenty of strength in SOA adoption plans --- 
> for example, 27% of the largest enterprises currently have SOA in place, 
> and 33% are committed to moving in this direction. SOA principles 
> themselves did not die, but rather, "SOA died a marketing death," 
> meaning that the approach has become so vital and basic to enterprises 
> and as a part of packaged applications that marketers have moved onto 
> the next big thing. "When a technology becomes vital, it dies in a 
> marketing sense," he explained. "It's time for SOA to 'die' since it's 
> not distinguishable anymore since everybody's using it."
> 
> I certainly hope John's assessment is true.
> 
> SOA is still the most popular search term on the Burton Group research 
> site. And we're definitely very busy assisting clients with their SOA 
> initiatives. But we're still seeing a lot more stalled efforts and 
> failures than success stories. So I don't think we're out of the woods 
> yet.>>
> 
> *You can read Anne's blog at: 
> http://apsblog.burtongroup.com/2009/05/soa-its-dead-jim.html
> *
> 
> *Gervas*
>


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