+ 1/2.

ROI is a badly abused term in IT as most business cases appear to be
"spend another x million and we promise that THIS time it will
deliver"

However if you work in a world (e.g. Outsourcing) where those elements
can be not only quantified but contractually enforced then they become
real.

I did a piece with a company a few years back where I shifted some of
the bonuses from being IT awarded to being business awarded, now that
helped to focus the minds on real business ROI over fake IT ROI.

Steve


2009/5/27 Alexander Johannesen <[email protected]>:
>
>
> On Wed, May 27, 2009 at 13:35, htshozawa <[email protected]> wrote:
>> Are you implying that ROI calculation is unnecessary because there may be
>> some other benefit gained?
>
> I think ROI in general is a word made up by consultants to enable them
> to justify selling their services to potential clients, but I wouldn't
> jut imply such a thing, I'd state out quite loud and clear that ROI
> calculations quite often is missing the point, barking up the wrong
> tree, bereft of insight and blindingly stupid in their consequences.
>
> Sure, hang on; I have seen good ones too, although they tend to be
> more like summaries, pointers and strategies from some real talented
> people rather than intricate, complex and specific "we got some
> insight for you to marvel at" that's often drawn up. Everybody is
> BSing to some degree, be it consultant, internal or external person.
> Someone is writing these reports with acclaimed insights that often do
> not hold water when scrutinized (but who's gonna do that when it all
> *sounds* so good and clever and is backed with good-looking graphs!).
> And all this with the disclaimer that I used to be a consultant and
> was longing to get out of it often due to the BS in enterprise
> business that pass as muster these days. Just like the term "SOA" has
> been shafted into the ground by some of these companies, so has the
> phrases "ROI" and "TTM"; it's the business of speaking like a business
> for the sake of that business, rather than just focusing on *why*
> you're in that business and how you should move on. (Heh, you can tell
> I'm a practitioner rather than a talker, right? :)
>
> Ahem. Just ignore this silly rant. It's been a long day of reading
> through a lot of enterprisey systems documentation that speak of
> "reducing cost at the vendor level and increasing amptitude for
> first-in-line support resources through the use of middle-ware enabled
> third-party plugin architecture using the projected SOA initiative"
> which has got so many factors and unknowns and silly words and idiotic
> pipe-dream upholstery in it that it just makes my brain melt to think
> people can think it must be true. Where's my Martini(s!) when I need
> it?
>
> :)
>
> Alex
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