ATM has nothing to do with Frame Relay. It means Asynchronus Transfer
Mode. I think what they're providing is an internal DSL card (U.S. Worst
incorrectly calls it a "modem" around here). It is a marketing decision
in an attempt to prevent sharing the cheap connection. You could stick
it into a Win 9x or NT box, put an ethernet card in the same box and use
NAT software on that box, making the Win box somewhat equivalent to an
STN box. Win 98se and Win2000 have NAT built in. There are a number of
third party NAT packages for NT and Win 9x. If there are Linux drivers
for the device they provide, you could make your own Linux router. I
have a customer who wants to use a wireless network card. I'll probably
either use a Win box as a router or else build a Linux router as STN
does not support it, although Linux does. If the $69/month package
includes a real router (like a Cisco 675), you may not need STN at all
as the Cisco 675 has a good implementation of NAT built in. I have set
up quite a few customers around here with DSL and the Cisco 675 and it
works just fine.
Are you now completely confused?
Arnie Rothenbaum wrote:
>
> Richard,
>
> You brought up the issue of frame relay in response to the fixed IP/NAT
> question. I have a question and therefore hoping you might know more about
> this topic (I'm sure more than I do.)
>
> In the Chicago area, Ameritech just began an aggressive campaign into the
> DSL business. They are not only providing the line connection, as they have
> already been doing for DSL in general, but also are the ISP provider
> (ameritech.net rather than covad or northpoint, who have been the main
> suppliers in this area). No more resellers, one can go Ameritech direct.
>
> The key here is that they are providing DSL at a very inexpensive price.
> Most DSL providers have a tiered pricing scheme for offices. For SDSL, 768K
> downstream and 128K upstream, they want between $400 and $600 per month.
> Ameritech offers this for significantly less. For a single user account,
> dynamic IP, 768K down and 128K up, they sell it for $39 per month, and $69
> per month for "multi-user" which comes with a DSL router (you pay $450 for
> this box, just reduced from $600).
>
> Here's the rub. I figure $39 per month, forget their router, I'll use STN.
> And order it for my clients. They fax a sheet to my client saying, OK,
> we're putting in the line for a single user account - and it requires an ATM
> card to be put in the computer and they are taking out any ethernet card in
> that computer. ATM what's that all about. I call Ameritech and they say
> it's a marketing decision, if you want ethernet you have to go to the $69
> per month and buy the router.
>
> So, Richard, what's the deal with ATM (different than frame relay?). Can
> one forgo the ATM card and use a "bridge" which connects to the DSL/ATM
> cloud and then somehow hub over to ethernet and still use STN?
>
> If one can save the $450 and the $20 per month ($240 per year) is it worth
> it to try and get the ATM bridged to ethernet. And finally what nasty
> configurations are involved or is it pretty straight forward and Ameritech
> is just trying to throw a monkey wrench into this to keep me off base?
>
> What bridge do you recommend? And then do you just "uplink" connect the
> bridge to the ethernet hub?
>
> Any help would be appreciated.
>
> Arnie
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>
> "Richard G. Samuels" wrote:
>
> > Do you mean a frame relay? Do you connect with a bridge or a router? If
> > you connect with a bridge, you can connect an ethernet hub to the
> > bridge, plug the four workstations into the hub and assign the
> > appropriate IP address to each workstation. You would then plug the STN
> > box into the hub and configure it normally.
>
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