Well, I'd not bother with keeping the front engine. Reclaim that area for luggage, fuel tank, cooling, etc. Otherwise our thoughts parallel each other.
Though I think I'd probably not bother and build a GT40 kit with a more modern V-8 (Toyota, Ferd 4.6?) mated to a Porsche transaxle. Similar amount of effort with better aesthetics (my opinion here) and better overall package from an engineering standpoint. A guy here in Portland actually started building a rear engined Omni GLH-T but I don't think he's gotten very far with it as he works on it when the mood strikes him. He might have even scrapped it by now as the project started because of the car's rust issues (it was imported from elsewhere in the country). One thing he did say was that the drivetrain seemed to fit just fine behind the rear seat/gas tank in the Omni. Of course the Daytona has a shorter wheelbase so that probably wouldn't be true for the 'tona. Dual throttle cables have been done before using the stock pedal. This was for the dual downdraft Weber/Holley using the MP manifold. The shift linkage would be a bit more involved and expensive since you'd need to make sure the cables are routed and adjusted properly. In that case a single engine or two automatics would be an easier solution to implement. Mid-engined conversions have been done with the Fiat X-1/9 platform, so anything is possible. Stefan -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Jason Arroyo Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 2:04 PM To: sdml Subject: RE: SD> awd daytona Hmmm... You have me thinking as well here... I have seen two successful cars with twin- engine/trans setups... One was a twin-engine 1G DSM (4G63T/FWD-trans combo in front, and identical setup in rear hatch area), and the other was a twin-engine Hyundai 1G Tiberon that had essentially the same setup as the DSM. Both were well past 350hp, the Tiberon was past 400. I don't see why this isn't possible on a G-body, as we seem to have more than enough room in our hatch area to accommodate a second 2.2/2.5L SOHC engine/trans combo. If the throttle control is so easy on the DSM and Hyundai twin setups, then I figure you can do the same. You could even run a second exhaust pipe on the other side of the bumper, so you would have a single exhaust for each but a two tips (twin exhaust "style"). I suppose you would first need a K-member cut from the front end of a K car, and then would need to cut open the rear area and weld it in. You would lose your OEM gas tank, but I suppose you might be able to either convert to a fuel cell, or even modify or eliminate alltogether the rear seat area and put a modest sized tank there. I would personally prefer to retain the rear seating, but considering the narrow profile of a 2.2/2.5L slant four, plus the fact that both manifolds are on the rear, you might be able to utilize a tank design that ran "edgewise" and in front of the rear engine, with a custom superduty firewall between the engine and that. With luck, both tank and engine would still be well below line of sight and you could retain your rear visibility via rear view mirror. If that was so, then you could run a rear "hood" over the top. I don't know if you would want to retain the large hatch glass, or remove it and create a "mid-engine" louvered cover, leaving the quarter windows, sorta like a Fiero GT. Then you would just have a small piece of rectangular glass right behind the rear seat. That would look pretty sweet if you ask me. If you did choose to leave the hatch alone, you could just insulate your rear hood and then, I suppose, rug it over to match your interior, as well as retain enough room under your hatch for a SMALL suitcase or duffle bag. Either way you went, if you did the on-edge tank idea, you would still have rear seats in a car that essentially had a mid-engine (equate always with 2-seater) configuration and appearance. For engine temps, I would myself suggest that you run custom radiators in the front. My idea for this would be either side-by-side or narrow top/bottom parallel configuration, one feeding the front engine, one feeding the rear. I am not certain what additional requirements would be needed for running coolant to/from the front to the rear in a cycle, but perhaps some aluminum piping could work to carry it down most the length of the chassis and back. For intercooling, you could either do the same idea as the radiators (although I am concerned for performance reasons on long IC pipes to the rear and back), or much like mid-engine turbocars do, create a top and two side ducts to feed a concealed IC. Again I offer a suggestion, which is to create two side vents, perhaps via the small wuarter windows, where each feed a SMIC. A Y-pipe from the turbo outlet could route to both, and a Y-pipe could join them back up again prior to throttle body. I *suppose* you could just run a non-intercooled later T1. But why? ;) You can, of course, imagine the power potential of two 150hp engines pushing/pulling a G-body. It is essentially 150x2 (of course it's likely a bit less but you get the idea). You could either use identical turbochargers and other stuff, or you could get clever and choose a bigger turbo for the front and a smaller one for the rear, depending on which you want to deliver power when (which depends on what kind of racing you do-- drag vs. road course racing). Although I think identical T3's would be great for autocross or just a good growly street car. Since the A555/568 is a cable shift configuration, I'm sure some custom shift cables could more than get the job done for shifting. SO all you really need is a second TII engine, A555/568 trans, axle hardware, A-arms, swaybar, front struts/springs, and a K-member (not including the seemingly minimal fabbed up stuff), and there you are. Does this sound feasable? -J Southern California Forced Induction 1989 Dodge Daytona Shelby Turbo II 1986 Chrysler Laser XE Turbo 1990 Plymouth Laser RS Turbo 1991 Mitsu Eclispe GSX Turbo(for sale) 1990 VW Corrado G60 Supercharged (possibly revived?) 1984 Nissan 200SX Turbo 1985 Nissan 200SX Turbo 1983 Datsun 280ZX Turbo -----Original Message----- From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of Mullikin, Stefan P Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 1:19 PM One of my crazy thoughts is to use the drivetrain from a 300M/Concorde/Intrepid mounted out back. Very compact 604 based transaxle with a nice V-6. Not ideal (would prefer a stronger piece with 5 manually shifted gears) but workable and it would be different. -----------------------REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING---------------------- ------ Questions? Visit http://www.sdml.org/ To be removed, visit http://www.sdml.org/pages/leave.html -----------------------REMOVE-FOOTER-WHEN-REPLYING---------------------------- Questions? 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