Geez, George, you're as cheap as I am. :-) Sounds like a good set make-up, except that I don't care for the Super Concordes...was using the $6 closeout Mars Cydonia LCGs until they ran out. I must have almost a hundred seniors still playing the Cys...they were long and very easy-to-hit heads, though quality was a bit suspect in a few when they closed them out (leaking mouse glue). Have been using Bang SFs since, but am still looking for lower price, long-hitting fairway wood heads.
Hireko has a 46" ultralight shaft (painted like a PF) called the Pro Series Super 52 that weighs around 60 grams (though spec'd at 56 grams) and is $16.50, I think. Might want to look at it for the driver, if you aren't going over 47" club length. Just used it on a senior woman's set of woods and it seemed like a pretty good shaft. Four shafts were very consistent...all at .362"-.364" raw deflection, or about 1/2 cpm. Weights were 59-61 grams, but felt very light when tip trimmed an inch or two. Tip sensitivity on the L-flex was .018"-.021"...or about 4 cpm/inch. Was funny that after I delivered the clubs, I discovered she was a West Virginia grad and the blue Bang heads, blue wrap grips and blue/gold shaft colors are her school colors. She did hit the clubs well, but the colors really made her happy. If I'da known it, I should have got her some WVA headcovers, too. I still have a couple of those old Grafalloy SoLites in my inventory, too. Have the S-flex and they are really boardy feeling to me. Hate 'em. A good 70-year old friend with a very hard swing likes them a lot, so I've been saving them for repairs...he's bound to break a couple of those 54 gram shafts sooner or later the way he swings down at a ball. Bernie Writeto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] ----- Original Message ----- From: "GEORGE HUSON" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:44 AM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again > Bernie, > > I was thinking of using the Integra gold heads (like > the old style Big Bertha). I can get them for $4/head. > This has proven to be one of the best "keep it in the > fairway" heads I have used. Built at least 25 sets for > begineers just for that reason, and it still is a very > good style head. When you play new courses, I think > knowing you can keep it in the fairway is a very good > idea. Thought I would build 4-9, then add 3 good > wedges and a utility style 3 iron. Integra S450 driver > and 3+,5 super concorde fairway woods. I would use the > Proforce 55 in driver, and I have a couple of the old > Grafalloy ultralights that I picked up for $6/ea when > they changed to the Powerlight. Looks like I can build > the entire set 10 irons, 3 woods, and a putter for > around $200 ($80 of which is driver) I think I could > go less expensive on driver, but I have sold 5-6 of > them right out of the bag for $135 when I travel. > Means I have to play with 3+ for Driver rest of trip, > but what the hell if I sell 4 drivers out of the bag > in parts of the country I would normally not get > business in then my travel set is free! > > George Huson > > --- Bernie Baymiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > George, > > > > As I recall, the Apache PM-30i (now the MFS 30+) R1 > > was about 283 cpm raw. I found that 275 cpm was what > > I needed...picked up 10-15 yards in that much > > softening, and it still feels stiff to me. I'd guess > > the Powerflex FW-501 would play about 3 or 4 cpm > > softer than the R1 Apaches, but the profiles are > > obviously different so it's strictly a guess. > > Suggest you get a couple of shafts and try them > > out...at $6.95 for singles, you can't lose much. > > Since it's an R/S combo shaft, you have plenty of > > room to stiffen it. > > > > That Pro Perimeter head is a good bargain for an > > inexpensive set, too. I was hitting the set very > > well again today. Missed two greens with full iron > > shots today...one an easy 7-iron that I pulled 15 > > feet left of the pin into a Bermuda grass > > bunker...had to chunk it out and DB'd the hole > > 3-putting from 12 feet. :-( The other was another > > 7-iron I hit dead at, but 20 feet short of a > > front-side pin and chipped up for a gimmee. Our > > greens have just been aerated and I had trouble with > > the putter all day...3 three-putt greens and a 78 > > that could easily have been a 73 if the swingee had > > been a little smarter...had maybe 6 birdie putts > > under 15 feet and only made one on the second hole. > > The manufactured quality of these heads is certainly > > not as good as Wishon's, but comparable to GW CER > > series and some of GS stuff. The design is clean and > > the heads play as well as any. For an addicted > > clubmaker like me who likes to try new stuff several > > times a year, heads and shafts like these make it > > possible and affordable. > > > > I'll send you my set record table and pic of the > > head privately. If you have Microsoft Word, you can > > open it OK. > > > > Bernie > > Writeto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: George Huson > > To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:26 PM > > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again > > > > > > Bernie, > > I need to build a low cost set of irons for > > travel. I was going to order the apache mfs 30+, > > this powerflex sounds too good to be true. I > > normally play the R-1 in Apache's old spec's. how do > > you think this shaft will play without soft stepping > > it. > > George Huson > > > > Bernie Baymiller wrote: > > > > Don, > > > > SK Fiber makes very good shafts, though I > > haven't tried the Tri-Tec. I use the Pure Energy A > > for most of my long drivers. Here's an iron shaft > > option, if you want to experiment... > > > > I found an inexpensive graphite shaft which > > seems to play as well as my old $15 Apache PM-30i > > A-2 shafts. It's a Hireko proprietary filament wound > > Powerflex FW-501 combo R/S iron shaft (I'm using the > > R softstepped one club with a 3/8" slope), spec'd at > > 88 grams, but is actually 81-82 grams (same weight > > as my Apaches), torque 3.0...about where I like it. > > Consistency shaft-to-shaft was quite good on my NF2, > > with a spread of only .023" for ten shafts, all > > readings taken on the NBP...or a little less than 5 > > cpm, I think. Seven of the shafts has spines less > > than 2 cpm and the other three were .013", .015" and > > .016", or a little less than 3 to a hair more than 3 > > cpm. Cost is $6.30 each/10 shaft quantity. Tip > > sensitivity was .026"/inch, or about 5 cpm. These > > shafts have a profile that feels a little heavier > > than many graphites the same weight...which is a > > feature I like because it stabilizes my swing on the > > short irons. Impact feels very solid and shaft > > action is smooth. Played three rounds with them and > > had three straight 77s...if I could putt, they would > > have been 74s or less. :-) > > > > Used Pro Perimeter heads ($6.95) with these > > shafts, very clean looking cavity backs with low > > offset, and used Hireko's Soft Tread grips ($1, like > > a Softee). Swingweight across the assembled 3-PW set > > was D2.9 to D3.5, or .6 of a point spread (except > > for SW at D4.7, which I wanted heavier). Also, tried > > the NBP-COG alignment, which seems to result in a > > very straight ball flight (though most of these > > shafts really didn't need any particular alignment). > > Club length is standard graphite lengths. Component > > cost about $15 a club. Time will tell, but these > > might be my "cheapo" iron success of the year. > > > > Bernie > > Writeto: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: Don Flatgard > > To: shoptalk > > Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:58 PM > > Subject: ShopTalk: Again > > > > > > Can anybody recommend something better then SK > > Fiber Tri-Tec iron shafts? > > > > > > >
