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George,
The Bang SF fairways at $18 are pretty good, particularly the 5W and
7W. The 3W seems to hit a bit lower than it should, IMO, and is more
difficult to hit solidly, for some reason (maybe me). I like these heads because
they are available all the way up to a 21W (SW loft)...so if some senior woman
really wants to eliminate the irons from her bag completely, she can. :-)
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Sent: Wednesday, September 17, 2003 11:27
AM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again
Bernie,
I can get the super concordes for 9 bucks each. I
can't find anything that I like better for less then 20 bucks. Although the
Tourwood 320FW from Tour Golf @ $16 looks like a nice head, just havn't
got one in to try yet. Has anyone tried the fairway 360 series?
George
Huson
Bernie Baymiller wrote:
Geez, George, you're as cheap as I am. :-) Sounds like a good set make-up,
except that I don't care for the Super Concordes...was using the $6 closeout
Mars Cydonia LCGs until they ran out. I must have almost a hundred seniors
still playing the Cys...they were long and very easy-to-hit heads, though
quality was a bit suspect in a few when they closed them out (leaking mouse
glue). Have been using Bang SFs since, but am still looking for lower price,
long-hitting fairway wood heads.
Hireko has a 46" ultralight shaft (painted like a PF) called the Pro Series
Super 52 that weighs around 60 grams (though spec'd at 56 grams) and is
$16.50, I think. Might want to look at it for the driver, if you aren't
going over 47" club length. Just used it on a senior woman's set of woods
and it seemed like a pretty good shaft. Four shafts were very
consistent...all at .362"-.364" raw deflection, or about 1/2 cpm. Weights
were 59-61 grams, but felt very light when tip trimmed an inch or two. Tip
sensitivity on the L-flex was .018"-.021"...or about 4 cpm/inch. Was funny
that after I delivered the clubs, I discovered she was a West Virginia grad
and the blue Bang heads, blue wrap grips and blue/gold shaft colors are her
school colors. She did hit the clubs well, but the colors really made her
happy. If I'da known it, I should have got her some WVA headcovers, too.
I still have a couple of those old Grafalloy SoLites in my inventory, too.
Have the S-flex and they are really boardy feeling to me. Hate 'em. A good
70-year old friend with a very hard swing likes them a lot, so I've been
saving them for repairs...he's bound to break a couple of those 54 gram
shafts sooner or later the way he swings down at a ball.
Bernie
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----- Original Message -----
From: "GEORGE HUSON" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Sent: Tuesday, September 16, 2003 8:44 AM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again
Bernie,
I was thinking of using the Integra gold heads (like
the old style Big Bertha). I can get them for $4/head.
This has proven to be one of the best "keep it in the
fairway" heads I have used. Built at least 25 sets for
begineers just for that reason, and it still is a very
good style head. When you play new courses, I think
knowing you can keep it in the fairway is a very good
idea. Thought I would build 4-9, then add 3 good
wedges and a utility style 3 iron. Integra S450 driver
and 3+,5 super concorde fairway woods. I would use the
Proforce 55 in driver, and I have a couple of the old
Grafalloy ultralights that I picked up for $6/ea when
they changed to the Powerlight. Looks like I can build
the entire set 10 irons, 3 woods, and a putter for
around $200 ($80 of which is driver) I think I could
go less expensive on driver, but I have sold 5-6 of
them right out of the bag for $135 when I travel.
Means I have to play with 3+ for Driver rest of trip,
but what the hell if I sell 4 drivers out of the bag
in parts of the country I would normally not get
business in then my travel set is free!
George Huson
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George,
As I recall, the Apache PM-30i (now the MFS 30+) R1
was about 283 cpm raw. I found that 275 cpm was what
I needed...picked up 10-15 yards in that much
softening, and it still feels stiff to me. I'd guess
the Powerflex FW-501 would play about 3 or 4 cpm
softer than the R1 Apaches, but the profiles are
obviously different so it's strictly a guess.
Suggest you get a couple of shafts and try them
out...at $6.95 for singles, you can't lose much.
Since it's an R/S combo shaft, you have plenty of
room to stiffen it.
That Pro Perimeter head is a good bargain for an
inexpensive set, too. I was hitting the set very
well again today. Missed two greens with full iron
shots today...one an easy 7-iron that I pulled 15
feet left of the pin into a Bermuda grass
bunker...had to chunk it out and DB'd the hole
3-putting from 12 feet. :-( The other was another
7-iron I hit dead at, but 20 feet short of a
front-side pin and chipped up for a gimmee. Our
greens have just been aerated and I had trouble with
the putter all day...3 three-putt greens and a 78
that could easily have been a 73 if the swingee had
been a little smarter...had maybe 6 birdie putts
under 15 feet and only made one on the second hole.
The manufactured quality of these heads is certainly
not as good as Wishon's, but comparable to GW CER
series and some of GS stuff. The design is clean and
the heads play as well as any. For an addicted
clubmaker like me who likes to try new stuff several
times a year, heads and shafts like these make it
possible and affordable.
I'll send you my set record table and pic of the
head privately. If you have Microsoft Word, you can
open it OK.
Bernie
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----- Original Message -----
From: George Huson
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2003 5:26 PM
Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Again
Bernie,
I need to build a low cost set of irons for
travel. I was going to order the apache mfs 30+,
this powerflex sounds too good to be true. I
normally play the R-1 in Apache's old spec's. how do
you think this shaft will play without soft stepping
it.
George Huson
Bernie Baymiller wrote:
Don,
SK Fiber makes very good shafts, though I
haven't tried the Tri-Tec. I use the Pure Energy A
for most of my long drivers. Here's an iron shaft
option, if you want to experiment...
I found an inexpensive graphite shaft which
seems to play as well as my old $15 Apache PM-30i
A-2 shafts. It's a Hireko proprietary filament wound
Powerflex FW-501 combo R/S iron shaft (I'm using the
R softstepped one club with a 3/8" slope), spec'd at
88 grams, but is actually 81-82 grams (same weight
as my Apaches), torque 3.0...about where I like it.
Consistency shaft-to-shaft was quite good on my NF2,
with a spread of only .023" for ten shafts, all
readings taken on the NBP...or a little less than 5
cpm, I think. Seven of the shafts has spines less
than 2 cpm and the other three were .013", .015" and
.016", or a little less than 3 to a hair more than 3
cpm. Cost is $6.30 each/10 shaft quantity. Tip
sensitivity was .026"/inch, or about 5 cpm. These
shafts have a profile that feels a little heavier
than many graphites the same weight...which is a
feature I like because it stabilizes my swing on the
short irons. Impact feels very solid and shaft
action is smooth. Played three rounds with them and
had three straight 77s...if I could putt, they would
have been 74s or less. :-)
Used Pro Perimeter heads ($6.95) with these
shafts, very clean looking cavity backs with low
offset, and used Hireko's Soft Tread grips ($1, like
a Softee). Swingweight across the assembled 3-PW set
was D2.9 to D3.5, or .6 of a point spread (except
for SW at D4.7, which I wanted heavier). Also, tried
the NBP-COG alignment, which seems to result in a
very straight ball flight (though most of these
shafts really didn't need any particular alignment).
Club length is standard graphite lengths. Component
cost about $15 a club. Time will tell, but these
might be my "cheapo" iron success of the year.
Bernie
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----- Original Message -----
From: Don Flatgard
To: shoptalk
Sent: Sunday, September 14, 2003 6:58 PM
Subject: ShopTalk: Again
Can anybody recommend something better then SK
Fiber Tri-Tec iron shafts?
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