Bernie, I can follow what you are saying, but get lost when you add COG to the various planes (NBP, S1)
What means this? Brian ----- Original Message ----- From: Bernie Baymiller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <ShopTalk@mail.msen.com> Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 10:44 AM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Heavy Putter > Mark, > > Are you seing more accuracy in the short irons, 8-iron through SW? That's > how the NBP-COG alignment worked for me. Used to pull my 9- iron and PW > about 5 yards left when I made a reasonably good swing for me and was aimed > at the pin. Now, my short irons are right on the stick when I'm on balance, > which is not easy for an old man on anti-rejection drugs. :-) The change was > kind of startling...worked for the past 5 years to hit straight PW shots > with a square stance, which serves me fine with all other irons. On the > range before a round, I always hit the first ten or so PW shots left. At > first, I checked the PW lie, assuming that was the problem, but it was OK. > First time out with my set of irons aligned NBP-COG, the first ten were dead > on the 120 flag. That accuracy has continued. > > Didn't have as much luck with NBP-COG using large wood heads and senior > shafts. Impacts were up and down on the face. So, I tried S1-COG and that > seems to work pretty well. Only difference seems to be S1-COG doesn't feel > quite as smooth as NBP to target. > > Also, I've noticed that almost every NF2 (spinefinder) NBP-COG alignment > FLOs very well, unless I have trouble locating the NBP on a weird shaft. Do > you get FLO with this alignment? > > Bernie > Write to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Mark A Patton" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <ShopTalk@mail.msen.com> > Sent: Saturday, February 12, 2005 9:13 AM > Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Heavy Putter > > > > I can vouch that my customers as well as myself seem to have a preference > > for COG-NBP. Its not that you see a night-day difference, just seems to > > limit those odd ball shots, especially it seems in the shorter clubs. > > > > > > > > Mark A Patton > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] <mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] Behalf Of Bernie Baymiller > > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 11:52 AM > > To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com > > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Heavy Putter > > > > > > Brian, > > > > Some sort of spine alignment has been done since the advent of hickory > > shafts, if I remember my golf history correctly. Dick Weiss patented his > > METHOD of doing spine alignment, and there are many who would dispute that > > patent, though no one has done it so far to my knowledge. In fact, I think > > we had discussions on Colin Dick's spinefinders here on Shoptalk before > > Weiss's patent was issued. ASD (Advanced Shaft Dynamics) was opened by > > Weiss's ex-president, Philip Talamonti, in competition with his old boss, > > because he thought Weiss's method was faulty. Vijay Singh is using ASD's > > shafts at the moment. http://www.advancedshaft.com/ Vijay certainly gives > a > > lot of credit to the ASD (super secret) method. Has anyone seen a > > description of how he does it? > > > > Meanwhile the amateur FLO and spinefinder advocates continue to dispute > each > > other in every clubmaking forum on the net. It has been fun to watch and > to > > participate in all this "tech" stuff. I can tell you that I sure have been > > pleased with results matching and aligning shafts on my NF2...with a > little > > help from the info on John Kaufman's site and DT's comments on the "true" > > spine and NBP locatons. Add in Tom Wishon's thoughts on NBP-COG alignment, > > and I've built myself the most consistent and accurate set of irons I ever > > made...for under $15 a club. That's kind of been my challenge for the last > > ten years as a hobbyist clubmaker...make the best performing clubs for the > > lowest cost. > > > > Heh, heh...it's so much fun to make clubs for people who have OEM clubs > they > > can't hit and see them compare my "cheapos" performance to their big bucks > > alternatives. Just made a fairway 5W for a reasonably good woman player > who > > couldn't get her Callaway 5W up in the air (she doesn't play a 3W except > off > > the tee). Not only is my club better built, she now hits the ball at the > > proper trajectory and gets more distance with a $40 club. (And I made a > few > > bucks on that one, too.) > > > > Bernie > > Write to: [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Brian Parkinson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > To: <ShopTalk@mail.msen.com> > > Sent: Friday, February 11, 2005 10:09 AM > > Subject: RE: ShopTalk: Heavy Putter > > > > > > > That's why no one on this forum checks for spines, because it's been > > > patented. (hee hee) > > > > > > Brian H. Parkinson, CPA > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > > On > > > Behalf Of [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > Sent: Thursday, February 10, 2005 9:43 AM > > > To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com > > > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Heavy Putter > > > > > > I'll second that! > > > Pat McGoldrick---On Target Golf LLC > > > Turnersville, NJ > > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > From: "Dave Tutelman" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > To: <ShopTalk@mail.msen.com> > > > Sent: Wednesday, February 09, 2005 8:06 AM > > > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: Heavy Putter > > > > > > > > > > Arnie, > > > > > > > > Bravo! > > > > > > > > DaveT > > > > > > > > At 03:32 AM 2/9/05 -0500, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: > > > > >Jeremy, > > > > >Don't get upset about the "knockoff" terminology! The cleaned up > > version > > > > >is parallel technology. Sounds better, and quite high tech! But when > > you > > > > >ask for specifics about a new product it sure appears that you plan > on > > > > >using the information to duplicate some aspects of the product > without > > > > >doing the research and experimentation. > > > > >I am involved in several golf industry products with patents and I > > would > > > > >NEVER provide the type of information you requested! I would simply > > sell > > > > >the product to you and you can disassemble it to get the information > > > > >requested. At least the effort would produce one sale. > > > > >I have introduced five products in another industry and have > > experienced > > > > >the competitive introductions by others who purchased the product I > > > worked > > > > >on and have spent countless hours with those in the legal profession > > > > >fighting the those who produce "similar" products after a successful > > > > >introduction. > > > > >Even the developer of the heavy putter admits that it will happen. > > > > >The key is to sell thousands, bank the profits and have an active > > enough > > > > >mind to come up with another winning product. > > > > >I wish the heavy putter developer that success. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.6 - Release Date: 2/7/05 > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > No virus found in this incoming message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 > > > > -- > > No virus found in this outgoing message. > > Checked by AVG Anti-Virus. > > Version: 7.0.300 / Virus Database: 265.8.7 - Release Date: 2/10/2005 > > > > > > >
