I sure don't disagree with Dr Tutelman. I think we're
more in concert than not in this case. 

I mentioned the butt end only as a last resort. I
don't nor did it recommend it. What I hoped to
demonstrate was that no matter what one does re;
swingweight, a change of a point of so is essentially
meaningless. Bobby Jones may have been able to spot a
single SW point difference but I'd suggest that the
overwhelming majority of golfers can't tell the
difference from a couple of points or more. What do we
hear often? "Wow, you can sure feel the head, it must
be perfect!". I heard that very thing today when I let
a guy swing a 3 metal I own. 

If a shaft is 60 inches long and the SW changes a
point or two it sure feels different, but on a
relatively firm, 38" shaft with a rubber grip on the
end? Excuse me, but if you say you can feel it, you're
fulla . . . well. 

Tflan
--- Dave Tutelman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 01:21 PM 9/17/2007, TOM FLANAGAN wrote:
> >So I'd say the final place to adjust  SW isn't at
> the
> >head. But working at the butt end . . . the grip,
> will
> >allow for some small changes in ending SW. Formula?
> I
> >guess you'd  have to ask Dr. T...
> 
> I'm on record for well over a decade as disagreeing
> with this 
> prescription. Changing the swingweight using length,
> clubhead weight, 
> or shaft weight changes the performance of the club
> roughly the same. 
> Changing the swingweight using backweighting (which
> is really the 
> same as futzing with the grip weight) is very
> different -- and much 
> less predictable as to its effects.
> 
> Both theory and empiricism say this.
> 
> For the theory, see
>
http://www.tutelman.com/golf/design/swingwt3.php#graphs
> 
> For some recent test results, see 
>
http://www.hirekogolf.com//hireko/webpages/tech_articles/system_q2_experiment/system_q2_experiment.html
> 
> On a completely pragmatic basis, anybody trying to
> match swingweight 
> closer than one point is wasting his time. That
> little difference has 
> no practical effect, neither in performance nor
> feel.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> DaveT
> 
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