of course.....I was talking about the '90s, when there was a reference of 5.5s to R, etc...what we do/speak about today as clubbuilder/fitters and what we do in general discussion are different......I have many clients who think all Rs are Rs, Ss all the same S etc. It's a study in education. I communicate to them at their level...and then bring them along. The criticsm is not warranted.
Al Humphrey PRECISION GOLF SERVICES 271 Providence Club Drive Monroe, GA 30656 sloswingsp...@yahoo.com 770-207-5360(O) 770-312-6398(mobile) ________________________________ From: Robert Devino <robertdev...@yahoo.com> To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 9:33:53 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues Personally I am surprised to see any professional builder using terms like "R" or "S". I though to fit some one correctly you find a shaft and head combo that gives you the desired ball flight and then figure out what frequency to cut them too to hit them fairly straight. The terms "R" or "S" or any other letter nominclature is just too vague to be of any use to anyone. Sincerely, Robert Devino 14252 Delano St. Van Nuys, Ca. 91401 (818) 908-1691 ________________________________ From: Allen Humphrey <sloswingsp...@yahoo.com> To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 3:32:42 PM Subject: Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues back in the 90s, I believe Rifle 'R's were 5.5s. I played them and they were like a pipe because my 5i ss was in the 78mph range. Later, I beieve Rifle adjusted the 'R' to 4.5, I believe. PCS made up a chart [ maybe Dave Eagar created it ]....that compared PCS's slope vs Rifle 4.3 slope. The majority of the clubmakers I work with in AGCP generally believe that parallel tip Rifles in a 5" clamp exhibit + 17-18cpm over the 2.5" clamp reading. Using a 2.5" clamp is what the Braley's used to create FCM slopes, etc. The majority of clubmakers I know use a 5" clamp. My Digiflex has both 2.5 and 5" and I can interchange them to get comparative data. Since most of my work is done with a 5" clamp that's what I use.....and since I work with Dana Upshaw's SS vs butt cpm fitting chart as a starter..I use the 5" clamp, and the Rifles I use play softer. Al Humphrey PRECISION GOLF SERVICES 271 Providence Club Drive Monroe, GA 30656 sloswingsp...@yahoo.com 770-207-5360(O) 770-312-6398(mobile) ________________________________ From: Tom Flanagan <tflans...@hotmail.com> To: shoptalk <shoptalk@mail.msen.com> Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2009 11:42:26 AM Subject: RE: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues This just occurred to me (us old farts have to wait for inspiration) Why not clamp the Rifle shaft at 2 1/2", record the freq, then clamp at 5" and compare the difference. As I recall, Rifles were clamped at 2 1/2" with a really heavy tip weight attached. Virtually all their shafts freq'd and played much stiffer than advertised. I recall using 4.0's to simulate 5" clamped "R" flexes. I never could figure out the rationale for 2 1/2" clamps and a heavy weight. TFlan > Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2009 07:32:58 -0700 > From: be...@chartermi.net > To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues > CC: sloswingsp...@yahoo.com > > yes, these were tapers. I really hate using taper tips, but I didn't have a > choice in this case. I've noticed the same thing that Robert pointed out in > that when I measure 5.0 and 5.5 shafts, they seem to fall in ranges that I > expect. But starting at about 6.0 and up, they seem to really jump up > considerably. Admittedly, I don't do too many sets over 6.0, and this was > the first set of 7.5 I did. This kid I reshafted for is a real player though > - 0.5 index, measured his swing speed at 118 on an easy swing, 123 on a > normal swing, and 128 when he put two cheeks into it. > > As a total side question, do either of the two new clubmaker's associations > offer the same type of PCS equalizer system? > > > ---- Allen Humphrey <sloswingsp...@yahoo.com> wrote: > > Scott...you using taper tips unless you reamed them out....the butt cpms > > might or might not jump depending on what length shaft you were provided.. > Al Humphrey > Monroe, GA 30656 > sloswingsp...@yahoo.com > 770-207-5360(O) > 770-312-6398(mobile) > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Robert Devino <robertdev...@yahoo.com> > To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 11:06:04 PM > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues > > > I know you can't trust the 5 inch clamp numbers especially at the stiffer > flexes. When you get up in the 6.0 and up range the curve gets distorted > using a 5 inch clamp and the shorter clubs bounce way up in frequency. I > have a Rifle chart and a 7.5 at 39 inches should start at 309 and each club > should be 4 cycles apart. > > You will not get good readings with a 5 inch clamp. Especially at 7.5, the > reason is you get to far into the butt with the short irons. You need to use > a 2.5 inch clamp. If you don't have one you can measure to length then mark > and clamp the shaft 2.5 inches shorter than cut length and place that mark at > the front of the clamp. > Sincerely, > Robert Devino > 14252 Delano St. > Van Nuys, Ca. 91401 > (818) 908-1691 > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Allen Humphrey <sloswingsp...@yahoo.com> > To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 7:45:22 PM > Subject: Re: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues > > > Scott....I have the PCS excel chart. The 5" clamp values run + 17 over the > 2.5" clamp values. Since yr set is 'flighted'....I'm guessing you have 8.0 s[ > ?] in the 3.4s: 7.5s in the 5, 6.7.and 7.0 in the 8, 9 and w's. Also depends > if they are pre-TT shafts... > Al Humphrey > PRECISION GOLF SERVICES > 271 Providence Club Drive > Monroe, GA 30656 > sloswingsp...@yahoo.com > 770-207-5360(O) > 770-312-6398(mobile) > > > > > ________________________________ > From: Scott Bershing <be...@chartermi.net> > To: ShopTalk@mail.msen.com > Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2009 6:39:29 PM > Subject: ShopTalk: rifle conversion tables/cpm issues > > Does anyone have any excel spreadsheets that they can send me to convert a > standard 5" butt clamp to the rifle scale? I used to have a great one, but > through the magic of computers it is MIA. I have another one but I've never > been happy with it or thought it was accurate. > > The reason I'm asking for all this is I've had two sets of rifle shafts > recently that seem to measure at least a full flex stiff, if not more. > > Last night I reshafted a set of PING I3 blades with flighted 7.5 and got the > following. Just curious to know if this is where they should be or not. The > clubs are all D5-6 swingweight: > > 4 - 39" 335 cpm > 5 - 38.5 339 cpm > 6 - 38" 342 cpm > 7 - 37.5" 352 cpm > 8 - 37" 357 cpm > 9 - 36-5/8" 359 cpm > p - 36.5" 359 cpm > > Thanks, > > Scott > > -- > Shoptalk ** Sponsored by the new Aldila Voodoo. > Learn more at http://aldilavoodoo.com/ > > -- > Shoptalk ** Sponsored by the new Aldila Voodoo. > Learn more at http://aldilavoodoo.com/ ________________________________ Windows Live™ Hotmail®: Celebrate the moment with your favorite sports pics. Check it out.
