On Sat, 19 Sep 2009, Curtis Villamizar wrote:
In message <pine.wnt.4.64.0909180813380.1...@sandym-lt.columbia.ads.sparta.com>
Sandra Murphy writes:
Curtis was suggesting if address space is not as cheap as domain names,
then this scheme would not be used.
Truly competitive and/or reasonably priced would be a more accurate
translation of "like domain names".
I picked up on the point that the RPKI does not effect address allocation
fees. Which it doesn't.
There is an odd problem with address allocation (that might also be
out of scope for SIDR). If there are multiple places to get addresses
from (truly competitive) then aggregation may be affected. Perhaps
having a small number but more than one within a geographic region
would serve both goals. This does not affect the PKI.
But Randy has addressed Curtis's point more accurately, as Curtis was
speaking of the RPKI as if it were a registry, so his comment about
pricing was probably directed to certs, not addresses.
At the top level address allocation and registry are the same thing.
So if certs are issued with addresses CA and registry is the same at
that level. [We are going down a politically charged rat hole.]
I would hope that the RIRs would not charge for certs separately from
charging fees for address allocations. The RPKI will work best if *ALL*
address allocations have a corresponding cert. If that turns out to be a
cost to the recipient, we're likely to see people who choose not to get
the corresponding cert. That would IMHO be a bad thing.
Free cert with your address would be nice. A reasonable price would
be acceptable. Again, a layer 8 problem.
If it is a price paid by an increased cost to an allocation, that's one
thing. If it is a price paid by opting in to an optional feature, that's
very different, and unpleasant in impact to the RPKI. Not our business to
argue the price model, but the impact is.
And out of scope. Sorry.
The problems of partial deployment (not everyone has a cert for their
address) are within scope for the wg, I'd say.
There might be different ways of dealing with partial deployment when it
was viewed as a temporary problem (eventually everone will covert from
BGP3 to BGP4, etc) versus when it was viewed as a permanent condition and
too common to be dismissed.
--Sandy
--Sandy
Curtis
On Fri, 18 Sep 2009, Randy Bush wrote:
Prices for address allocations are not affected by the RPKI.
given that at least some RIRs are exploring how and what to charge for
certs, this is a bit naive.
randy
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