On Oct 7, 2009, at 8:46 PM, Terry Manderson wrote:
On 8/10/09 3:04 AM, "Jared Mauch" <[email protected]> wrote:
Operators will always opt to keep their network alive, anything that
risks keeping the network operational will have a hard time finding a
place in networks.
I can think of other cases I'm not going to enumerate here, but
Actually, for the benefit of the use-cases draft, could you?
Take the end of EUNet as an example. There were some kind souls that
kept the network up and running, and there were users behind the
network. This space was routed by a variety of providers in the
aftermath. The business risks would be higher today as a result (as a
customer) and as someone trying to capture the business in the
aftermath, there would be incredible pressure to get things done ASAP
to bring a new customer online, possibly with their "old" space as the
proper owner is not around to assert control/authority/objections.
typically transfers of customers and space take months if not years
to
sort out, while actual network control may happen more
immediately. I
right, so "ownership" happens at a different time and space to network
origination? (That's been my experience, being in active takeovers of
companies where not upsetting the network and customers was the
highest
priority - but still making sure the control was in hand)
This varies from company-to-company. I've seen it on the large telco
scale and the small regional ISP scale over the years. Sometimes old
staff is laid off as part of an asset acquisition, so it's hard to
show proper authority for a period of time with your suppliers/vendors
(SPs/RIR, etc)...
think we still have customers on "NTT" space that are homed on the
Cogent network from some prior transfers.
Can you elaborate in terms of ISP1 and ISP2 to protect the innocent?
Ie provide action timing? what happened when?
I think that real-life examples help explain the practicality of the
process that ends up happening. We continue to forward security and
abuse complaints as a part of the legacy. That happened in December
2004. Five years later there are still customers covered by this
agreement.
Have to run for now, but this should help....
- Jared
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