Russ White <r...@cisco.com> wrote:
> [Christopher Morrow <christopher.mor...@gmail.com> wrote:]
>> [Russ White wrote:]
> 
>>> I could go on giving examples, but to state, "BGP's semantic is that the
>>> AS Path represents the path through which the update has traveled," is
>>> simply untrue.
>> 
>> eh... but it is. one more time around the mulberry bush?
> 
> It's not. The AS Path is to prove the path is loop free. It was never
> intended to prove where the update went in the network.

   Please try to excuse me for interrupting a perfectly good flame-war...

   IMHO, Russ is being careful in what he says, but Chris isn't.

   The plain fact is, Chris made a perfectly reasonable post:
" 
" On Fri, Feb 18, 2011 at 1:31 PM, Russ White <r...@cisco.com> wrote:
"
"> If you're going to say, "secure the semantics," then secure all of them.
"> If you're going to say, "secure the data," then figure out what matters
"> in terms of how the data looks, and secure that.
" 
" what matters: AS-PATH
" how it looks: every AS which sees this route, and propogates it to
" external peers, attests to that fact.

   ... alas, not being as careful as I would wish about what he wrote...

   I interpreted to be in response to the last two lines of Russ, and say:
" 
" What matters is the AS_PATH; it gives us every AS which sees this NLRI;
" propagating it to external peers attests to this fact already.

   He did not say anything about how to validate that so as to place
confidence in the AS_PATH for loop detection, least of all some of the
other things we're looking for.

   Thus, I decided against responding to it right away, hoping somebody
would lead the discussion in that direction...

--
John Leslie <j...@jlc.net>
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