On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 10:20 PM Christopher Morrow <morrowc.li...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Thu, May 5, 2016 at 5:16 PM, Carlos M. Martinez <carlosm3...@gmail.com> > wrote: > >> hey! >> >> On 5/5/16 3:30 PM, Christopher Morrow wrote: >> > > I think it's an interesting topic to discuss, I'm a little worried >> > > that: "Because the third party said things are 'ok' I'll believe >> > > things are ok!" >> > > >> > > mostly because I don't see a clear method to ensure that 'third >> party' has: >> > > 1) up-to-date information >> > > >> > Same with RTR cache server. >> > >> > >> > except I run the server and can get some data about how updated/etc it >> > is with respect to collection of roa/etc data. >> >> Not always. In a couple of IXs I know the RTR server is shared and is >> provided as a service to the IXs members. >> >> They trust each other enough to do this, so not trusting the route >> server would be kind of silly. >> >> > sure, but I dont' always use the RS at the IX. > > ... and you don't have to trust the RS if you do. This feel like a prefect being the enemy of the good type discussion -- you shouldn't use RS, and you should do your own validation. You should also always brush your teeth and ear yer veggies -- but, we know some people will not listen to / follow this advice. Some people do use route servers, and won't do their own validation - I'd rather that they have the information available to make a decision than not... > > >> In any case, you, personally as an individual IX member, are free to >> have any misgivings about the operational expertise of the IX and you >> can adjust your BGP configs accordingly (de-prefing whatever you learn >> from elbonia-ix, ignoring validation state, overwriting communities). I >> just don't see an argument against what the draft proposes in the >> scenario you describe. >> > > >> However, if you dis-trust a particular IX too much, maybe you just >> should de-peer them. But we disgress :-) >> > > yea, so... I didn't REALLY want to rathole the conversation. I'm > perfectly happy if consenting adults want to do this, that's cool. I may > not? I may in some places because I can't solve my problem other ways? > > I don't think bending things like this is particularly bad, as long as > people understand what they walked into/on. > Yup. W > > > >> >> -Carlos >> >> PS: I loved the name Elbonia, Can I license it from you ? :-) >> >> > absolutely... Elbonia and Westonia.. they are bad places, (depending on > your perspective of course.. if you are elbonian, you dislike westonians... > and vice/versa) :) > > > >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> sidr mailing list >> sidr@ietf.org >> https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr >> > _______________________________________________ > sidr mailing list > sidr@ietf.org > https://www.ietf.org/mailman/listinfo/sidr >
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