>       The Teac looks like about the best CD-R around, but the Panasonic
>is lots cheaper. ($327 is outragous, the drive should go for low $200s)
>Anybody have any particular stories with either?
>
>       Incidentally, by now it seems there are more IDE CD-Rs than SCSI.
>What's the world coming to? {tear}

It's not outrageous.  You're more than welcome to browse the internet for 
a mail-order price.  Retail is always more expensive, A&R just happens to 
have some of the best prices in town.

Now.  Price justification:

 1.  you're looking at a 4x burn speed. 
     600k/sec max sustained burn rate.  This is actually quite a feat of 
engineering, you need to physically BURN the CD-R media, physically 
changing the substrate and altering the pigments.  Just take a quick 
calulation of the rotational speed of the CD-R, and the power necessary 
for the laser.   Why do you think there's no "affordable" 6x burners on 
the market??  

  2.  This is a SCSI drive.  By it's very nature, SCSI is inherently more 
expensive.  You'rea always looking at paying more for a SCSI.  Why?  who 
knows.  It's better than IDE so perhaps that's enough justification.  
Lousy excuse but it'a the truth.  Looking to pay about $50- $100 more for 
a SCSI vs. IDE system.

  3.  Have you actually researched these drives?  They've dropped from a 
price of OVER $600!!  Whatever the market has done, it's reduced the 
price (and indirectly -quality) of these devices.  I'm sorry if you don't 
want to spend anymore than 200 for a SCSI burner...  but I still remeber 
the days when a Yamaha 4x4 CDR dropped below 600, and that was a 
milestone, over half it's original $1200+  Quit complaining about cost, 
and if it's really that big a deal, buy a CHEAP, LOUSY, HP cdr, or IDE 
interfaced one.  Sure you may get okay burns at 2x or 1x.  OR just wait, 
like the rest of us.  

  Look.  I hate to flame the group like this, but a general information 
background provides some justification... slight, but enough.

Overall, if you're going to complain about a $300+ SCSI 4x8 CDR, you 
really shouldn't be in the market.  You just wouldn't appreciate the 
speed and quality of these devices.  It'll cut you a CD in less than 20 
minutes (and that's a FULL disk)  while the total time with verify is 
awful close to half an hour.  GO AHEAD and buy that nice, CHEAP 2x 
burner...  you'll have to wait a lot longer, and forget about trying 
anything else on that system while it's burning.  For sure, most people 
can live with waiting an HOUR for the disk to cut...  perosnally, I was 
spoiled with a multi-disk tower system capable of cutting out 4 CD's at 
once, Disk-Disk in aprox 20 minutes or less.  And the tower could cut you 
a max of 12 at once if you had the drives.  If you're willing to wait, 
and too cheap to pay for QUALITY materials...  please, don't come 
complaining about paying $300 bucks for a burner.  

There's the Mitsumi 2x8 IDE for those who can't spare another $100 for a 
scsi card and 4x burner.

-daniel

PS>  if you want the BEST CD-R...  look no further than all of the 
Plextor products.  Unfortunately, you do pay for it.  But they've always 
had the highest quality and most accurate systems.  Teac vs. Panasonic... 
 I'd go with Panasonic. but only cause I've had experience with both the 
panasonic and Yamaha 4x6, and the Panasonic was much better.  Teac 
experience, I don't have a lot of.  It doesn't come with a SCSi card, if 
that's important to you.

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