>   Why?  Prohibiting one from doing their due diligence when making a
> decision on whether or not to deal with someone seems quite
> reasonable.  The publication of that is the only part I might have
> issue with, but in the case of mail relay detection, we aren't talking
> about a security issue.  It's an issue of politeness.  What is wrong
> with people making a list of rude mail servers and refusing to do
> business with them? 

Ahh, but they aren't making a list of rude mail servers (like the others
mentioned in the original post -- rbl etc), they are making a list of
_potentially_ rude mail servers.

>   It seems like a credit union - they collect credit information on
> individuals and then financial institues can make a more educated
> decision on whether or not to do business with you.  (of course, I do
> have some privacy issues with credit unions)

and well you should.  This is not the same thing, however, you only make
the credit union's list by asking for credit with one of their customers.
Apparently the ORBs list has no such "entry barrier" -- you can be
blacklisted merely for being out of sync with what they think is right,
and they allegedly seek you out to determine this.

I'm all for being good netizens, and effecting this with technology where
appropriate, but it seems to me that ORB could do a better job of
explaining some things, like from what sources their tips might be
considered valid.  Scanning for vulnerabilities on systems you do not own
and do not have permission to use is not polite.  Scanning then, would
seem to negate their stated goal of making the net a better place.

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