I'm sorry Dylan are you seriously trying to argue that people who weren't there can't have an informed opinion on it? Try extend that logic a bit further ...
As for your comment about jokes about minorities, it is in poor taste. And yes, I'm judging you for it. I'm over jerks. On 11 September 2013 11:34, Dylan Sale <dylan.s...@gmail.com> wrote: > Again, you weren't there and are arguing out of context. > > I have no problems with making jokes about minorities, as long as they are > not mean spirited. I don't see this as being that. It may have been poor > taste but I think it is inappropriate to demonise people over taste. But as > I said I wasn't there so I can't argue in good faith either way. > > I'm just over the knee jerk demonisation I see with these kinds of things. > People tend to get angry at the story told to them rather than the > situation itself. > > Sent from my Android phone > On 11/09/2013 10:23 AM, "Dylan Jay" <d...@pretaweb.com> wrote: > >> If the joke was at the expense of another minority in the audience for >> example jewish, or Chinese or something, and it got a laugh would it still >> be ok? >> There's plenty of ways to make jokes that don't make an already >> marginalised segment of the community, more uncomfortable. Women are >> unrepresented in tech startups. Making it feel like a sniggering adolescent >> boys club isn't going to help that. Lame joke anyway. >> >> >> On 11/09/2013, at 8:30 AM, Dylan Sale <dylan.s...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > Seeing as the article says they got a pretty good laugh I'd say it was >> a success as a pitch. This was obviously intended as a comedy stunt and >> like all comedy it is chosen for a specific audience. These guys had >> probably taken a barometer reading and guessed it would go over well as a >> joke. It was unfortunate that a child was there however. That is the only >> thing I think is worth apologising over. >> > >> > What the world does not need more of is people who were not in the >> audience going to war with people who make jokes to a specific audience in >> a specific context, or people crying "sexism" without thinking it through. >> I wasn't there so I'm not going to judge them without the context of the >> event. >> > >> > Sent from my Android phone >> > >> > On 10/09/2013 11:03 PM, "Fai Wong" <wongw...@gmail.com> wrote: >> > To bring a fair perspective on your partner's experience a AngelHack, >> even countless times when I say I'm a .Net programmer who had developed in >> php and now Ruby on Rails, most non-programmers will go clueless at .Net. >> So I don't think what your partner experienced was a sexism issue. It is >> just as hard for a male programmer to be seen to have better ideas or be >> more innovative, we're usually born to be a slave coder. I think it is more >> of an under-appreciation of what Internet startups revolves around.. >> coding. While looking for co-founder for a few startups last year, I've >> approached Sydney-siders on LinkedIn and they didn't take me seriously. San >> Fran biz dev guys whom I approached on LinkedIn however liked my ideas, >> spared time to Skype with me and would let me be the CEO if we became >> co-founders. WTF, a coder as a CEO, how is that possible?? >> > >> > I have no solution but to advise your partner to come up with her own >> ideas, test them and learn the business side. Someday, she gets to be the >> CEO and there would be a co-founder who would be happy to be the COO as the >> biz dev. side. Now that is a different world. >> > >> > >> > On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 6:48:48 PM UTC+8, Melody Ayres-Griffiths >> wrote: >> > <rant> >> > AngelHack IMHO is _NOT_ a 'developer hackathon' -- it is a pitching >> competition. >> > >> > And my partner, a female developer who would be considered a >> 'rock-star' if she was male, was generally minimised and ignored by the >> attendees at the AngelHack we attended despite her 15 years of experience, >> and ability to develop in every language from COBOL forward. Which only >> re-enforces the point. >> > >> > The startup culture in Australia needs work. It's not as much a >> meritocracy as people like to paint it, and it's extremely patriarchical. >> > </rant> >> > >> > On Tuesday, September 10, 2013 10:04:06 AM UTC+10, Barry Teoh wrote: >> > They actually are programmers. >> > >> > The guys won a developer hackathon (AngelHack) back in May >> > >> > On Monday, September 9, 2013 7:13:22 PM UTC+10, Fai Wong wrote: >> > In their defense, they're both not programmers. So unfair to label them >> as brogrammers! >> > >> > On Monday, September 9, 2013 3:06:12 PM UTC+8, Geoff Langdale wrote: >> > Great work: >> > >> > >> http://www.smh.com.au/digital-life/smartphone-apps/techcrunch-forced-to-apologise-over-sydney-duos-titstare-app-20130909-2tflb.html >> > >> > >> http://www.theatlanticwire.com/technology/2013/09/titstare-tech-worlds-latest-brogrammer-joke-techcrunch-disrupt/69171/ >> > >> > It's got everything, right down to the pro forma "sorry if you are >> offended" disingenuous apology on twitter. 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