Alaric, * Alaric Snell-Pym (ala...@snell-pym.org.uk) [110620 11:29]: > On 06/20/11 17:59, Jon Cox wrote: > > > Yes, the value of Bitcoins crashed from $17.50 down to $ 0.01 > > in the span of about 5 minutes yesterday, and though people > > were allowed to buy at $0.01, they probably won't be able to > > cash out, because Bitcoin just announced a rollback. > > > > A rather timely illustration, wouldn't you say? ;) > > That wasn't Bitcoin itself, just mtgox, the biggest exchange. Somebody > hacked an account and sold a heap of bitcoins at a negligble price, so > the exchange froze itself before the USD were actually cashed out and is > resetting to the state before the exploit...
Hold on a moment. Because 100% of the worth of a Bitcoin is in its "gamed network value" (it has zero "intrinsic local value"), special importance is placed on faith its real-world institutions. Saying that it was "just mtgox" sounds absurd. They are the largest Bitcoin exchange. The vulnerability to a compromise like this was only made possible due to an absolutely stunning level of operational negligence and/or incompetence: Rather than using 2-factor security, Mt. Gox went with one of the most idiotic security choices of all: non-salted MD5 passwords. The result? 2300+ passwords were cracked in < 24 hours on an old Pentium server. Enjoy: https://uloadr.com/u/8C.txt Bitcoin is therefore a 100% faith-based immature currency with full code transparency but almost no institutional transparency or independent auditing. That's a recipe for trouble. An institutional problem like the one at Mt Gox should not be able to crash the currency from $17.50 down to $ 0.01 in 5 min, then put the people who *do* buy in a state of uncertainty. All bets are that those who bought at $0.01 probably won't be able to cash out because of the rollback. A currency is more than the bits. A currency is also its institutions. So now, how will the people who bought at $0.01 be treated? Will it be considered legal in all jurisdictions in question? On and on. That's my point. > There's been a few bitcoin heists, down to the usual computer security > issues; bitcoin itself has, interestingly, remained unbroken, which > bodes well for its underlying security. The mtgox heist could have > happened just as well with any online banking system; it's just that the > bitcoin economy rather new, so there's lots of little bit players > suddenly finding themselves transferring hundreds of thousands of > dollars without having the expertise or capital to build the kinds of > security that banks do... The issue is what *happens* when such theft occurs, not that it *can* occur. Of course currency *can* be stolen. Of course servers *can* be hacked. That should not not cause a currency collapse and/or leave people dangling in an uncertain state who bought between the collapse and the rollback. All currencies are systems; they need to be analyzed from a systems perspective, or else you'll wind up like one of those poor people holding Bitcoins: $17.50 to %0.01 in 5 minutes. This is what I mean when I say: "a currency is also its institutions". -Jon