How easy is it for parents (ALL parents) to find the UN protocol? If an organization had sexual harrassment protocol on paper and it was not very easy to find it, and there was an instance of sexual harrassment in that organization, what happens?
On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 09:37 Suresh Ramasubramanian <sur...@hserus.net wrote: > > > > > > WHO has defined vaccine protocols that address your concern > Also the supposed individual risk from vaccines is vanishingly rare and > this is well documented too > Plus some of the things most vaccine deniers allege have never yet been > backed with data > > > > --srs > > > > > > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019 at 9:33 AM +0530, "Ra Jesh" <rajeshme...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I think the main problem in the vaccine 'system' is that there is the > collective societal benefit and risk and there is individual benefit and > risk and the two are conjoined. > > But unlike some other systems, the collective societal benefit can only be > realized by people forcibly taking on the individual risk. If individuals > opt out because the individual risk benefit equation doesn't work for them, > the collective societal benefit ceases to exist. > > I can't think of any other similar system that doesn't become oppressive at > some level. E.g. Nation state, armed forces, universal education, etc etc. > > So, if the above is true then the vaccine system is oppressive at least to > some people. > > When you layer this with the fact that the societal necessity for vaccines > is discussed as an absolute with not much nuance about what vaccines are > absolutely necessary and what vaccines are kind of optional, then the > oppression becomes more insidious. > > If a parent is 'encouraged' to give their child a vaccine that's actually > not mandatory but it's couched in a list of other mandatory vaccines to > make the parent believe it's mandatory... > > At this level, it is a breakdown of the system. 'Science' cedes this > terrain to politics and claims innocence. But when people fight back about > the politics, science is held up as the holy cow to be protected. > > On Sun, Feb 3, 2019, 09:17 Udhay Shankar N On Sat, Feb 2, 2019 at 10:36 > PM Srini RamaKrishnan > > wrote: > > > > Similarly there are kids who get polio solely because of the vaccine, > > > Vaccine-derived > > > polioviruses (VDPVs). No one disputes this, but now it becomes a > > > philosophical question whether even one victim is one too many. Guess > > which > > > side the drug companies are on? > > > > > > > Any risk analysis needs to start with the question "what is the threat > > model?". Similarly, any solution design needs to start with "Don't make > > things worse" (the Hippocratic principle can be viewed as a special case > of > > this). > > > > In the above context, the threat model is not "one victim", but > "potential > > pandemic". > > > > Without going into attenuated vs. killed vaccines, I agree that kids > > getting polio from vaccines is a bad thing. It is a special case of "kids > > getting polio" which the vaccine is an attempt to fight against. Can that > > be improved? Sure. I believe you are sincere in dismissing it. I just > don't > > happen to agree. > > > > Udhay > > > > > > > >
