Hey, I agree 100% my friend, you are 'absolutely' right in what you are
saying, no argument from me there, but to me there are no 'absolutes' with
this stuff and from all the information I have perused I don't believe there
is a brain on the planet that will ever get a total understanding of EICS,
(yeah and that could be argued to infinity I know and I'm definitely not
going there), and all the variables and 'gremlins' that tend to creep in and
do one thing or another. Oh, this is just a personal perspective also, I
would not presume to speak for anyone else, only myself. You're not getting
my dander up cos I don't really care about the nitty gritties of EICS
anymore, been there done that and I ain't going to watch the re-run. I
think most people have enough information available to them even if it's
just to simply satisfy their own minds with the product they produce at
home.
Yeah, I know that I can get it analysed in a lab, and I have done in the
past, but it doesn't change the fact that I could probably make another
batch tomorrow while seemingly doing everything in the exact same manner and
I have no doubt that the result will come back different from the first.
Most people don't want, and can't afford anyway, to go to the 'enth' degree
in lab analysis of their home made EICS as they are satisfied with all the
information they read in forums such as this, and using their meters no
matter how inaccurate they may be. It's only the minority who may want to
know more 'science' of it but the majority just want to make it, learn how
to make it properly, get an idea of what it is they are making, and then
take it. I know where you are coming from though Indi, and am only speaking
for myself here. I have a sneaky feeling though that when it comes to EICS
there may not be a 'data is data' thing, too many outside influences and/or
variables which are not understood or within the lay-mans control, and EICS
is generally a substance which that same 'lay-man' makes and uses for
his/her own benefit if you get my drift. This, to me, is why there will
always be this hoo-haa about EICS instead of just letting it go and being
satisfied with a basic substance which has been proven efficacious when used
for medicinal purposes. Personally again, I don't believe there will ever
be a 'data is data' thing, well not in my lifetime anyway.
Cheers...Neville.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Indi" <indule...@comcast.net>
To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Sunday, October 19, 2008 12:10 AM
Subject: Re: CS>blue moons revisited
You'd probably want to send it to a lab. Around three hundred dollars for
true answers. I realize it isn't cheap (or even affordable for most of
us).
A good chemical analysis is not something an untrained person can do at
home.
People get degrees in chemistry, you know. :)
As I've said before, my point is speaking in ABSOLUTES is irresponsible
when
your "testing" is so rudimentary.
"Feelings", anecdotal evidence, belief, etc do not disprove this point one
bit.
Sorry if that gvets people's dander up, but I am not about to abandon
all principles of critical thinking just because some here want to make
unsubstantiated claims. Data is data. Either one has it or one doesn't.
:)
indi
On Sat, Oct 18, 2008 at 11:45:05PM +1030, Neville wrote:
----- Original Message ----- From: "Indi" <indule...@comcast.net>
To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 18, 2008 2:53 AM
Subject: Re: CS>blue moons revisited
Quote:
[armed with only an EC meter and a laser pointer, for the simple reason
that those devices are not enough to *prove* your claims (in scientific
terms).]
In the absence of suitable laboratory testing equipment, in the home,
which is where most users involved with EICS are, perhaps you could steer
me in the direction of a more accurate, better or more suitable
instrument so that I may be able to assess my EICS in a more acceptable
and precise manner. I for one would certainly be most grateful in the
knowledge that there are other instruments available, other than EC
meters etc, which are available and affordable over the counter to
everyone in their homes, but I don't know what is available to me, other
than the instrument I currently use. If you know something I don't then
I would be humbly grateful if you would pass it on, but it must be
affordable and available over the counter to everyone who is involved
with EICS..........in their own homes.
It's fine for those who may be scientifically minded and/or have access
to more precise instruments, but I think most EICS users are just plain
ordinary folk using equipment that is affordable and readily available.
Tell me what else I can use that fits the above criteria and I'll go out
and get one, but remember, it must fit the above criteria so that perhaps
we can all go out and get one.
N.
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