> One thing at a time.
>
> You have claimed that sunlight turns silver ions into particles after the
> process is complete.
No, I never said that at all.
I mentioned getting rid of ions by allowing solution to sit in the sun.
## THERE..you just said it...again.
I also never claimed to have verified this with instrumentation, just
pointed out that according to what I know, that should do it (I leave the
lid off for speedier results, in case you were wondering).
Ions are unstable; it doesn't matter which element we're discussing.
They will react with other compounds at their first opportunity.
## What other compounds? AND they'll do that, sun or not if they are there.
Once a range of other compounds are made, they MIGHT be photo reactive, but
that's a whole other subject.
None of the possible compounds made with Oxygen, Hydrogen and Silver are
photo reactive.
Silver ions do not change unless there something else for them to change with.
A silver ion cannot even become a metallic silver particle unless it
gains an electron.
There are no free electrons in water.
There is a set of events that can add an electron that does involve
sunlight, but the sunlight is not a direct cause.
The glass of the container interacts with the light, not the silver ion.
So yes, I am assuming my method to be sufficient.
## You have not described a method, nor have you backed it with ANY
information.
But, I don't think I ever
claimed otherwise.
> I have not seen that happen..within the limits of observation, of course.
> I have seen TE increase over a few days with or without
> sunlight...sunlight irrelevant...contaminants relevant...normal Hydroxide
> and Oxide reactions relevant, accomplished with or without sunlight, but
> once completed, unchanged for years and years in any observable manner,
> sunlight or none.
>
> By what mechanism is that possible?
> Premis: If it's absolutely impossible, I'm just not going to observe it
> happening.
> Since I haven't seen it happen, I'd like to know how it's possible.
>
> Explain within a context that excludes other elements which may or may
> not be there.
> We are dealing with Hydrogen, Oxygen, Silver, any of their possible
> compounds and light...after power has been removed and after the
> presumably pure product has stabilized.
>
> How can light change an ion in a manner that it won't change without
light?
>
Light is a common catalyst in chemical reactions, whie any ion is just dying
to react with whatever it can by its very nature. Also, you are mistaken
about the nature of sealing containers. Screwing the lid back on an empty
food jar does not seal it (packing plants do more than just screw lids on).
And finally, fluctuation in barometric pressure most assuredly is the cause
of gasses passing just such an imperfect barrier.
## You are mixing your contexts.
Some silver compounds will use light as a catalyst...true.
A silver ion is not a compound
Ignoring that one..., nor are any of the possible compounds any of those
that can use light to change into something else.
Assuming imperfect barrier, what silver compounds can be formed that use
light as catalyst given the addition of normal elements found in air?
None.
You may get more oxides, no light needed and not photo reactive. That
will change an EC reading.
You may get increased acidification of the water with more dissolved carbon
dioxide and that will change an EC reading some.
Nitrates could **possibly** form with UV radiation, but glass and water
blocks most if not all UV. and that will change an EC reading.
But if it didn't change, what then?
The thing is, the seal is irrelevant. If it has leaked and has contaminated
the sample, that sample is discarded because it has changed.
It's the ones that don't change that count.
Perfect or not, the seal was sufficient.
There is no such thing as a perfect seal.
Really, you should just rephrase your original claim.
You *believe* your solution was unchanged after five years; your EC meter
test may be all you need to consider that a fact, but you have not proven it.
I encourage you to spend some quality time at the library or with Google,
these answers are not quite as rare as hen's teeth...
I believe you are sincere Ode, and I wish you well. I do not want to go
around and around with you on these matters; it's as simple as definitive
proof vs belief.
## I believe that you are sincere too, but your preponderance of proof
using broad undefined generalities against a set of specific conditions
defies the rational.
NOTHING is absolutely provable.
To pick another nit, all there IS, is belief.
What is it based on? Theory undefined or experience?
If you have had a different "experience" describe it so that I may look
into it myself.
You don't learn ANYTHING till you are wrong.
If there is any embarrassment involved, I'll get over it...wouldn't be
the first time.
..and it's not like I haven't experienced the extremely WEIRD on occasion.
Heck, I've been beaten with multiple tire irons and it felt like
feathers...me and two other people and a forth we were protecting that
apparently experienced something completely different if screaming in
terror is any indication.
Dude, I'm open.
Ode
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