Indi writes:
> Thanks. Yes, I feel a bit on the hot seat with a couple of people here.
> :)

Yep! <grin>

> I don't think of debate as hostility, but I have been reminded recently
> that some people do. So your point is a good one. Also I tend to forget
> that not everyone is as pedantic as I know can be at times. My "good
> enough" sometimes includes a lot of factors most people never think of.

Oh, I know the temptation to be pedantic. Fight it quite often, 
particularly in face-to-face encounters where I don't have as much time 
to think about my wording.

A key element in most such misunderstandings is that this medium, raw 
text, lacks all the other elements essential to communicating nuance; 
tone of voice, facial expression, body language, touch.

Whatever you type comes across 5 to 10 times more harshly than you 
intend. It is a good idea to always re-read what you type in the worst 
possible tone of voice and see how aggressive, arrogant, insulting, 
rude, or insensitive you can make it sound... Then try writing it again 
to make it so the words actually communicate the tone you want to 
project.

I've been at this internet stuff for over 15 years now. I've written 
probably at least 15,000 e-mail messages, usenet or forum postings. I 
still work very hard to make sure each message I send is as gentle as I 
can make it, of course with the rare exception of when I *want* to be 
rude! <grin>

Without thinking about it, most people fall into the trap of reading 
their own words with subtlety and nuance, and others' as harshly as 
possible. We must do just the opposite: Read your own words to others 
as harshly as possible and then make them gentler; read others' words 
as gently as possible and assume the best intentions possible.

> > The other expectation I'd hope to see you scale back a little is your
> > belief that *anything* we could do here would result in institutional
> > acceptance of CS. 
> 
> Oh, I have already seen and accepted that legitimization is far from a
> common desire on this list. And that's fine, I guess I just didn't
> anticipate it.

I imagine few of us would not want mainstream acceptance, but I think 
most of us doubt it's worth waiting around for and some would fear what 
degree of compromises or loss of freedom we'd suffer in the process.

Really, I'd say ours is more of a grass roots, bottom up rather than 
institutional, top down approach.

> There is a lot I didn't expect here, really. But I am glad to be on
> this list, there are some really intriguing people and ideas here, and
> a lot of experience. 

Yep, I think you got it! <smile>

> Thanks for the help and the kind words.

Thank you very much for your understanding.

Peace,

Mike D.

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
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[Speaking only for myself...               ]


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