My opinion is not just based on a simplistic assumption as you have
stated. It is actually based on the test results posted at:
http://www.silvermedicine.org/altmanstudy.html
Those test results are striking in one important way. If you take a look
at the scientific studies that have measured silver excretion, those
studies show that about 99% of silver is excreted through the feces and
1% through the urine. However, none of those studies used EIS as the
silver source.
But if you look at the Roger Altman test where EIS was used, roughly 79%
of the silver was excreted in the urine and 21% in the feces. So the
question you have to ask is why the extreme difference in excretion
paths for EIS vs. other forms of ingested silver? The primary difference
in EIS as the silver source and other silver sources is the silver ions
in the EIS. Now note that the amount of silver excreted in the urine is
about what you might expect as the ionic portion of the EIS. I think it
is a reasonable assumption that it is the ionic silver that is excreting
in the urine.
The next question is why? Now I admit that this next leap of logic is
open to other possibilities. But I think it is either because silver
chloride is processed out through the kidneys same as the body would
excrete excess sodium chloride or potassium chloride. Or it could be
because the silver chloride is removed by the kidneys because it is in
the form of insoluble silver chloride particles due to the low
solubility of silver chloride in water.
While one may question whether silver ions and HCl form AgCl in the
stomach, I think that it is the highest probability reaction and
speculating on some other unknown conclusion is the unlikely solution.
Whatever the source of the silver in the urine, one other interesting
point is that it must be formed in the body before assimilation into the
blood and remains unchanged until excretion. If it was formed while in
the bloodstream then you would expect to see other sources of silver,
especially metallic silver, also form the same compound. But they do not
because for other sources of silver less than 1% of the silver is
excreted in the urine.
- Steve N
-----Original Message-----
From: Malcolm [mailto:s...@asis.com]
Sent: Monday, August 24, 2009 10:19 AM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>Silver/Autism/Safety
YES!
Edzackly. It's way too simplistic to assume that because we can (do)
form silver chloride from ionic or even micro-particulate EIS silver in
a jar, that that is what is happening in the mammal stomach, or blood,
or lymph. How silver is bound, or transported in living tissue is
largely unknown; how ANY metal is moved about inside us, why certain
metals concentrate in certain tissues - all are questions with poorly
defined answers.
Take care,
Malcolm
On Mon, 2009-08-24 at 08:32 -0400, Ode Coyote wrote:
Natural Immunogenics did "test tube" tests...probably "borrowed" from
the University of Utah study.
Frank Key, the maker of MesoSilver tested for silver ions in the
blood after using ionic silver using an ion selective probe and found
none.
However, he does have a means to determine total silver content in
blood samples and DIDN'T say that there was no silver, or what form it
was or wasn't in.
He also doesn't say that ionic silver doesn't work, just that it's
the particle portion that does the job. [Which implies that he found
particles..IF.. he looked and found anything]
Logically, given no ions, if it was silver chloride, saying so would
promote his product.
If it was pure silver particles, it wouldn't.
..proving a negative isn't possible, so he really is saying
...*nothing* ...and everything said ABOUT that nothing is speculation.
We know what happens to ions in a test tube, but not in the bodies
intelligent chemical soup along with metallo transport proteins and
such.
A theory does exists [unproven] that ions and particles work
together to make *particles* in the blood, out of ions.
ANY ion exchange route is "possible".
Also that "particles" are subject to ionization.
"Where" Silver Chloride can form, other than in a test tube that
excludes myriads of other factors, is up in the air.
Do "particles" ionize to kill germs? [ probably so ]
Virtually any silver compound will kill germs, some better than
others in a given environment.
But what about that "intelligent soup" environment ?
What works...works.
That's ALL we "know".
Ode
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