Lisa wrote:
Hi Dave,
Thanks for such a detailed description of the diet your feeding your
multitude of dogs. We do not yet have a dog but will have one soon. That
being said I too would like to feed it a raw diet. Can you clarify something
for me? You say chicken quarters from Walmart is what you feed them after
cutting them a bit. Do you include the drumstick and thigh bone too? I was
told that these bones because they are bigger (and weight bearing) that they
may be dangerous to dogs due to splintering etc.
Walmart's chicken is enhanced with water, salt and sugar so it's not the
best choice to feed to dogs. I look for the natural not enhanced ones.
Same thing as far as the
necks go. So I guess I'd like to know whether or not it's the whole thing
(except the neck) that you feed them?
There is nothing wrong with feeding necks. Indeed, they are a good size
for small dogs and cats too.
Or are you leaving parts out?
Feed all parts including organ meats, especially liver.
I guess
I just don't want to feed our future dog a drumstick only to have to get
lodged in its throat. And as far as a puppy goes...would these [leg] parts
have to be broken down into manageable pieces or do you find that your dogs
don't have any problems either way.
Puppies learn fast how to gnaw meat off the bones with no problems.
However, feeding a diet heavy on chicken will result in a deficiency in
zinc and iron. Dogs should be fed primarily red meats because of that.
Ratio should be 80% red meats and 20% poultry and fish. Also, bone to
meat ratio is 80% meat, 10% bone and 10% organ meats. It is more
satisfying to the dog to be able to chew their meal up so stay clear
from ground meats as much as possible.
Cyndi
Thanks.
Lisa
-----Original Message-----
From: Dan Nave [mailto:bhangcha...@gmail.com]
Sent: Friday, November 27, 2009 2:06 PM
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: CS>BB on Kelp
-------- Original Message --------
Subject: CS>Maximizing Dog Health.....Minimizing cost
Resent-Date: Wed, 8 Aug 2007 15:22:06 -0700
Resent-From: silver-list@eskimo.com
Date: Wed, 08 Aug 2007 18:21:35 -0400 (EDT)
From: Brooks Bradley <brooks76...@lycos.com>
Reply-To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Organization: Lycos. Inc.
To: <Silver-list@eskimo.com>
Having undertaken a nutritional program based upon the Raw Food and
Bones general concept.....for our Orphaned Dog Program population,
about five years ago, we have attempted to maximize nutrition while
holding the direct food expenditures to the lowest acceptable level. I
believe we have achieved an acceptable (for us) circumstance.
In the beginning of our formal program (circa year 2000), we had 12
adult dogs in the group. We were feeding them a "high-quality" dry
food ration with vitamin supplements. Additionally, we supplied them
with steamed green and yellow vegetables three times weekly. While
they were healthy, in the general sense, I was not pleased that some
shed hair late and did not present shiny coats of hair.
After some experimentation we decided to add unprocessed (raw) milk
and raw meat to their diet....while, simultaneously, reducing the
carbohydrate components and increasing the frequency of raw bones
(from twice weekly, to daily). The results were, spectacular, and the
entire group responded with vibrant health displays. Within a short
time our population began to climb, as more "Loving Owners" abandoned
their pets along the road adjoining our farm.....and the population
increased to 16.....along with the attendant support costs. Our
population increased to its present 19 individuals and our food costs
(as have those for the general public) rose quite rapidly to over
$600.00 per month. While certainly not catastrophic, it appeared we
might profitably review our nutritional benefit/cost curve. I found
that the ground meat item was the least cost-effective.....from among
the high-density nutrient components. We were purchasing the 70% lean
X 30% fat,! 5 lb. rolls from Walmart for around $7.00 each and when
factored with the 6 oz. minimum, daily, (for medium, 35 to 40 lb dogs)
and 8 oz+ for the larger (70 lbs +) dogs....we were spending .70 each,
daily, for this component. I had been contemplating utilizing the 10
lb. bags of fresh chicken quarters
(from Walmart), for some time. I introduced the chicken parts
(one-third of a quarter to each
dog (about 8 ozs weight). As these bags were averaging less than $3.75
each (37.5 cents per lb).....and the results greatly exceeded my
expectations. Especially so since we were able to eliminate the raw
bones altogether-----with an overall net increase in digestible
protein.....and a cost reduction for this nutritionl element of around
$13.00 per day.
Additionally, the dogs, without exception, prefer the raw chicken (we
do not know why....maybe
the growth-stimulating feedstuff additives in the cowfeed make a
difference to the dogs).
Our present, daily diet, regimen includes: 1.25 cups of a 38% meat
product dry food, 1.5 cups of 70/30 raw milk/homogenized mix, 1/2 cup
cooked oatmeal, 7-to-8 oz raw chicken quarter, 1/4 cup whole fish
(canned product), one large dry dog biscuit, one tablespoon marine
kelp, one tablespoon 5 ppm CS, 1 teaspoon brewers yeast, one One-a-Day
type
vitamin pill (crushed). All of the dogs are in peak health and look
like slick seals.
Our vet bills have diminished from around $3000.00 per year circa 2000
A.D......to
essentially, nothing in 2007-----primarily (we believe) because of their
diet.
The principal reason for this diatribe is to try to influence dog
owners on the list to consider substituting the raw chicken quarters
from Walmart (or some economical competitor)......for a major portion
of the carbohydrates being fed their dogs. At a true cost of around 19
cents per day, per dog.....the nutrient density gain (over "high
quality) is very pronounced......and it is LIVE FOOD.
Cutting the quarters up is quite easy....especially if one uses a pair
of limb nippers. Just sever the drumstick first, then rotate the
thigh/back section 90% and cut it into two equal sections-----that's
it.....neat, and works fine. Originally, we used a butcher's clever
and cutting block, but the small limb-cutters are immensely more
convenient.
When one considers the true cost of the cooked, canned pet foods, it
appears (to me) almost criminal to not feed a pet dog some REAL dog
food. They develop such a desire for it they are worse than drug
addicts....ALWAYS fishing out the raw chicken before anything
else....followed by the milk fraction.
I must take a moment to relate a true story about my oldest son's 17
year old female chihuahua ("Libby"). December last, she had developed
a fast-growing tumor (tennis ball size, located directly adjacent to
the anus) and was presenting what the vets diagnosed as an inoperable
condition.....given her age, disorder prospects and considering the
enormous costs involved. The decision made to just make her as
comfortable as possible for what appeared a very short time span,
things were to be left for natural resolution. Since Libby had lost
nearly all appetite I suggested they try her on raw chicken
meat. This they did, and for the first two days she did nothing but
examine it, but on the third day she ate a small portion; on the
fourth day she ate a sizeable amount and on the fifth day she consumed
a full portion. Immediately thereafter she developed a ravenous desire
for the raw chicken and this has continued up to this posting.....some
eight months later. The only other modification in her diet was the
addition of one teaspoon of marine kelp. Within
10 days after starting this simple protocol, her energy level started
to rise quickly and
improvement presented exponentially. The very large tumor mass began
to recede and was completely reduced by May of this year. I do not
propose that the kelp and raw chicken were the miraculous resolution
of this condition, but it did cross my mind. Today, Libby is behaving
like a teenager, trim, jumping up from a flat-footed start into a
high-back overstuffed lounge chair, darting up two full stair-flights
and "ruling the roost" once again.
I confess, it does seem a miracle.
Sincerely, Brooks Bradley
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