Kataarina and Marsha H. Marsha, thank you I got the silver you sent. Report on how it went below. Kataarina and Mike I did not post the last thing I pasted correctly. I wanted to put a little note at the top but I messed up and didn't I will get this posting stuff that includes previous listings right sometime, at least I hope so. The question you submitted and Mike's answers were just what I needed to get an understand of what is happening. I just made my second batch. In the first batch I used 3 - 9v batteries a Radio Shack meter that had a 10 ma range and a mason jar. I let it go until I got 2.2 ma. The starting resiance was 180K ohms and the ending resistance was 15K ohms Second batch, I started the same, but when I got to 2ma I removed one 9 v and went with 18 volts, Again when the current got to 2ma, and removed one battery and went with (one 9 v battery) s until it got to 2ma. The starting restancewas 90K ohms and the final resiance was 7.5 K ohms. I believe my starting restance was higher becouse I only rinsed out my jar once with D water. I may have left some residue behind, I don't know. I hope what I have now is a higher ppm but still maintaining a small particle size. It has a very light golden tint. Katarina wrote: > I've been following the increasingly technical discussions of the > parameters for making CS with increasing awe at the minds of > those of you who can figure out this stuff -- and I hope eventually > someone will summarize it all for those of us who are > technologically handicapped. Never fear! For someone claiming to be technologically impaired, you've acquitted yourself handsomly below. <g> > But meanwhile I'm back to my quest to make the best CS I can with > the generator I already have, which is the Bob Beck Silver Pulser, > and I want to summarize what I think I know? and see if I got it > or am way off base. Okay, the silver pulser outputs a modest DC voltage that turns on and off rather quickly, if I'm not mistaken. I don't know if the CS generator hookup for it just lets you use the power supply directly or if it uses the pulsed output. In either case, it will produce good CS. > I assume that because my generator does not limit it's power it is > unlikely that I can make high ppm cs without making larger > particles. If you get the ppm up high enough, the current flow will increase and you will start making larger particles. That is exactly right! > It seems to me that it is agreed that larger amounts of lower ppm cs > will have the same effect as small amounts of higher ppm cs > (although they might not be as easy to use for a sinus infection > because of having to get more up there). Yes, you simply have to use *enough*, whatever that turns out to be for you, your CS, and your condition. Using a spray bottle or nasal inhaler for the sinuses as well as taking it by mouth will probably work for you if my and others' results are an indication. Concentration does not seem critical. > And it seems to me that smaller particle size probably means more > effective - unless you are going after larger bugs - so I'd rather > try to make smaller particle size at a lower ppm if necessary. Am I > accurate in assuming that if the cs I make is gold it will have > larger particles than if it is clear? So If I want smaller particles > I should run the generator for less time and get a clear sol. There are two ways to get clear sol: 1) limit the current so that the particle size never gets too big, 2) don't make your CS very strong. If the CS is gold then the particles will be bigger than the clear if it was made with low current. But plenty of people have had fine results with the golden, so don't dismiss it. Of course your sol will start out clear and stay clear for a while, until you get it strong enough to notice the color. Part of that is because it is the low current part of the generating process before the current ramps up, as you suspect, and part because it's just not concentrated enough to see. The irony is many of us started out making clear CS using salt and people started hammering on it as being inferior to the golden CS. Then the High Voltage AC advocates, (and now even the the Low Voltage high tech folks) started belittling golden for not being clear like theirs is! Don't worry. What you're making will be just like the stuff many of us have used with good results. > The clear sol has weaker tyndall - does that mean it probably has a > lower ppm? If it's been made with low current, long slow generation, then the ppm might be even higher. In that case the tyndall is weak because the particles just don't reflect in the visible spectrum and your laser passes right through. If it's weaker because you stopped sooner, then it's just weaker, or possibly both small and weak. If you let it run 'til you get noticeable color, you'll have probably made a range of particle sizes, the largest of which should be okay if you don't try to run too long. > I do know that I need to experiment with different waters and that > if I find a good one then I may be able to get stronger tyndall but > still have it be clear - correct? To be clear, you'd have to limit the current enough not to start making the bigger particles. Still, I'd not worry. One way to tell the *relative* purity of your water is whether it takes more or less time to start producing visible particles when starting with plain water (no starter). Longer is purer. > Also, I think I am going to quit heating the water because it seems > to hurry the process and end up with it gold colored quicker - which > means bigger particles? Actually, Peter Lindemann, who is one of the folks who suggested heating the water, said to do it because it resulted in *smaller* particles, which he claims to have observed using electron microscopy of samples. It's not necessary, but doesn't hurt, and does speed things up. > And lastly, if I bend the silver wires so that they are further > apart it seems to take much longer for the tyndall to appear - is > this because it is much weaker for longer or is it because they are > smaller particles? Probably some of both? If they are really close together and you move them to where they're an inch or more apart, you'll have cut the initial current by quite a bit. That will both slow down generation and probably start out making smaller particles. > And what about seeding the batch with old batches of cs? That also > seems to speed up the process - but is it likely to create larger > particles? It will likely not produce as many smaller particles because the initial current will be higher, but it will produce no *larger* particles than your last batch, if you keep everything else the same and stop at a the same strength as you did before. If you're not monitoring current (I doubt you will be) then stop at a similar color or tyndall.
Katarina, Yes, this question. I thought that last posting was going to include your questions and Mike's answers. It is very comprehensive as it stands. It answers my questions. Thanks Bob > Thanks in advance for the info - > Katarina Thanks for not letting the technical discussions overwhelm you. The bottom line is: You already know more than most of us did when we started! The product you make will be as good or better than what most people have used successfully already. Once you get the hang of it, and maybe send a sample or two for ppm testing, you'll have a pretty good idea of what you have. Get some experience *using* it and you'll understand that it works after all. Good job, Katarina! Be well, Mike D. [Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian] [mdev...@mail.id.net ] [Speaking only for myself... ] Dear Bob, You wrote: Dear Katarina, Mike and List This is the question and answer to start our FAQ Thanks this is great. God bless you all. Bob I feel very thick today- but I'm not sure what you are referring to? What question and answer? But I'm very glad if I have been of help! Take care, Katarina Oh, do you mean Mike's answers to my questions? I got lots more if you want them!!!! ----------------- Forwarded Message: Subj: CS Question? Date: 9/1/99 1:41:25 PM Eastern Daylight Time From: <A HREF="mailto:Kato 109">Kato 109</A> To: <A HREF="mailto:Elmatti">Elmatti</A> Dear Bob, You wrote: Dear Katarina, Mike and List This is the question and answer to start our FAQ Thanks this is great. God bless you all. Bob -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@id.net>