Marshall, Originally you wrote: > Hydrocholric acid is what is termed an organic acid in the nutrician > field (but not in the chemistry field). Organic acids do NOT effect the > ph of the body, since the body can easily change them between acid salt > and alkaline with either potassium or sodium. Ie, it is easily > nutralized with sodium to become table salt.
To which I replied as you note: > Ivan Anderson wrote: > > > The acid does not simply disappear by complexing it with the soluble > > alkaline metals. For each H+ neutralised one OH- is required, therefore > > the pH is preserved. The only way to lower pH is to use alkaline metals > > that are incorporated in body solids or to ingest alkaline foods. Taking > > HCl supplements will raise the overall body pH, but if one is deficient > > in its production to begin with this should not be a problem, and if it > > leads to the better digestion of food, then perhaps more alkaline > > elements will be absorbed. > > > > > > > > Apple cider is acid, but it becomes alkaline in the body. That helps > > > maintain the proper ph of the blood, and proper calcium distribution. > > > You have to look at the ash acidity, not what it is when you eat it. > > > > > > Marshall > > > > I can't see how this can be unless there is more mineral content than > > acid content. > > I think the reduction to ash technique is only valid for solid foods > > where the pH cannot be directly measured as the fluid content represent > > only a portion of the overall content. I am not sure whether your further statements are directed to the above or not, but the fact remains, if you add any acid to a closed container it contains more acid than it did before, no matter how good the buffer system is. > It is important, and has been verified by many sources. Check the net. The > pH can be easily modified by the body for organic acids and bases, but no so > for the ash content. This is a very important fact. Yes of course, but the acid content needs to be eliminated by the body in order to have no effect. > The organic pH is totally irrelevent for the body, the ash is the only > important thing, since the body can easily switch from one to the other. Not so. > That is very easy to prove. If you blood ph changes by a couple of tenths, > you will get dizzy and can even lose concousness. OK. lets try an > experiment. The body maintains ph short term by carbonic acid in the > blood. Lets exhale such that the CO2 is eliminated more quickly than it is > produced. Breathe very deeply about 20 times rapidly. Did you notice the > dissyness, or maybe even lose conciousness. This is caused by alkaladosis. This is caused by a deficite of CO2 in the blood which causes the blood vessels in the brain to contract. > The CO2 is used by the body to adjust it's acid/alkalinity, and works for > the organic acids. It does not work well for the inorganic acids, which > require the stripping of calcium from the bone or other methods to > neutralize. Yes, that is what I said. CO2 is used to correct the moment by moment blood pH, the other fluids have other mechanisms which are tied to the blood pH to some degree, but these are generally slow responding and reflect the overall body pH. > The carbonic ion is used to make these adjustments: > > http://www-class.unl.edu/bios201/chapter2aWEB/tsld041.htm > > Check these sites on how it works and more information. > > http://www.madsci.com/manu/gas_acbs.htm > http://www.snybuf.edu/~snyderrj/bio402/lectures/blood2.htm > http://www.usc.edu/dept/biomed/bme403/Section_1/bicarbonate.html > http://academic.brooklyn.cuny.edu/biology/bio4fv/page/bicarbo.htm > http://www.virtual.yosemite.cc.ca.us/dward/physo101/Resp_acidbase.htm > > > Marshall >From one of your links: > http://www.snybuf.edu/~snyderrj/bio402/lectures/blood2.htm "- hyperventilation causes a respiratory alkolosis (body fluid becomes basic because of too little CO2 - hypoventilation causes a respiratory acidosis (body fluid becomes acidified because of build up of CO2 ***these respiratory adjustments can take care of short term alterations from normal pH. Ultimately, chronic pH disturbances must be handled by elimination of excess acid or base by the kidneys." Many people have enough trouble eliminating the acid wastes already without adding more to the burden. >From another of your links: http://www.medstudents.com.br/terin/terin5.htm Metabolic acidosis is characterized by a primary decrease in bicarbonate ( HCO3 ) concentration and a compensatory decrease in the CO2 concentration. It occurs from either loss of HCO3 or addition of H. HCO3 loss generally occurs through the kidneys or the bowel. Acidosis from decreased renal excretion generally is slow to develop. In contrast, acidosis from increased acid production, as in lactic acidosis or ketoacidosis, can exceed maximal renal excretion and cause a rapidly developing, severe acidosis. >From another: http://www.virtual.yosemite.cc.ca.us/dward/physo101/Resp_acidbase.htm pH can be low (acidosis) or high (alkalosis) due to ventilatory or metabolic causes. Inadequate removal of carbon dioxide by the lungs leads to respiratory acidosis. Excess removal of carbon dioxide leads to respiratory alkalosis. High levels of hydrogen ions from metabolic sources lead to metabolic acidosis. Bicarbonate ions combine with the hydrogen ions to produce carbonic acid and thus carbon dioxide that is removed by the lungs. Low levels of hydrogen ions lead to metabolic alkalosis. Ivan. -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: [email protected] -or- [email protected] with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. To post, address your message to: [email protected] Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html List maintainer: Mike Devour <[email protected]>
