Craig: I'm the last one who would want to knock Frank Key's work. He makes an excellent particle silver. I've personally learned a TON from him. But if he states that's going to do anything for cancer, I'd like to know the reasoning.
Purchase the books "The Body Electric" and "Cross Currents" by Dr. Robert O. Becker for an in depth understanding of the possible dynamics at work. Dr. Becker formulated a theory as to why silver might, in some cases, positively affect cancer. If he is right in his theories, then particle silver, unless it converted to ionic silver in the body and at the point of cancer, won't likely do much. Cancer is negatively charged. So how is the particle silver going to effect the cancer? For your sister's sake, if nothing else, try not to listen ONLY to the loudest voice, nor ONLY the most theoretically convincing voice. The silver particle supporters talk about ionic silver as if it's a done deal that all ionic silver is converted to silver chloride in the body. They are the ONLY ones to do so. I've never met a silver particle supporter / ant-ion promoter ( exclusively silver particles ) that either didn't have a financial interest, or were parroting those who do have a financial interest. Furthermore, while there is some anecdotal evidence to suggest that colloidal silver can have an impact on cancer, there is also anecdotal evidence that suggests it does not. This likely means that in some situations CS use can work, and in others, it doesn't. This suggests that colloidal silver use is an excellent ADDITION to a full natural ( and/or allopathic ) treatment protocol. No matter how hard I try, I can't see particle silver doing much for cancer. I can't identify a method of action. I've seen situations where a negatively charged substance has impacted cancer, but it was a GREAT deal more of the substance, to the point where there is a generation of an electromagnetic field, to do so. HOWEVER, I could be wrong. I'd be more than open to hearing a theory on particle silver action on tumors. My own research into cancer and silver has just begun. My single point is that you don't have to rely exclusively on one side or the other. Until clinical evidence demonstrates facts, all the chemistry theories in the world mean little more than a starting place for study. Science has not changed that much, in its method of operation, over the last few hundred years... Remember, at one time, scientists first looked through a microscope and announced to the world that they SAW a little person in sperm. I plan, hopefully within the foreseeable future, to enlist the assistance of a nonbiased organic chemist to fully address the issue, or at least make the best attempt to do so. But you should know: it has been proven that ionic silver CAN plate onto organs. This is an undisputed fact, documented by Petering in the 70's ( I have not seen the actual studies ), who was considered a reputable scientist. While this was demonstrated by the use of ionic silver compounds, it was still ionic silver. If the ionic silver was converted to silver chloride or other compound, no organ plating would be possible - at least, that is my thinking on the subject. SO, the ionic silver made it through the stomach/or/bloodstream, to the organ, at which time, for whatever reason, it was still ionic. Then, it plated onto the organ. Anyone truly honest would say: We don't know. There is not enough evidence. One day we will know. We know: Silver ions can be ( and are ) converted to silver chloride in the stomach. We know: Silver ions can be ( and are ) converted to silver chloride in the blood. We have no real idea what ELSE occurs in the body, however. I have some ideas for testing, but they are going to have to wait their turn. I've talked to numerous degreed and working chemists who can easily admit that many things could be happening with silver ions in vivo. Nobody likes "not knowing" more than I. If silver particles are more effective, I know how to make them, and so I would make a higher percentage of them, and I would use them ( my particles would not be as ideal as Frank's solution, just like my ionic silver is not of the same quality as a full lab can produce, but, that said, they'd both still work ). I'm interested in efficacy and safety, not scientific politics. You don't have to pay the price for the debate, nor be a victim of it, one way or the other. In the words of Tim Rice, Chess, British Version: "I think both your constitutions are terrific, so now you know, be good boys" ( on the politics involved in the East vs. West world championship chess match ). Allllllll of that said, is your sister involved with other treatments as well? Kind Regards, Jason ----- Original Message ----- From: "Craig Chamberlin" <c...@itsmyplace.com> To: "CS" <silver-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 5:58 PM Subject: CS>CS, Current, water, etc. was Testers > Arnold, > > I may be mistaken, but isn't the objective to put small silver particles > into suspension not ions or is this an issue of the terms being used. > As I understand it, AG+ isn't very useful once it gets into the stomach, > but is very useful for topical/sublingual application. > > Because I haven't finished figuring out how to make high quality > colloidal silver (with very little AG+), I have been buying mine from > Frank Rey (www.purestcolloids.com). Yes, it is expensive, but my sister > has breast cancer and I am not going to muck about with unknown things > for her. > > Oddly, while everyone says that the yellow-amber color is a sign of AG+, > that is the color that comes from Frank Rey. And he does have access to > the equipment (or should I say owns) to test what he makes. > > I have been using constant current (have a small circuit board made up) > method, at very low current levels (0.2uA/square inch of electrode) and > found that it produces more crud than moving up to .2mA/square inch of > electrode. Somewhere in here lies a better number. I also believe that > reversing current direction may be an important part of this, which > means that both electrodes need to be made of silver. > > Also, a chemist friend of mine who has some experience with colloids > stated emphatically that you need to use de-ionized water, which, > interestingly enough, is what Frank Rey's cs is made with. > > I believe that having de-ionized water is a major factor in getting a > good colloidal silver. > > Going to be testing that here shortly, as soon as I can find de-ionized > water. > > Ciao, > > Craig > > > > Arnold Beland wrote: > > > > Craig, > > > > .2 is correct. Ivan did some very good work on this in the group some time > > ago. Are you still there, Ivan? > > The idea is to start with very few ions of any type. This will mean, > > especially with low voltage, that the current will be very low at the start. > > Silver ions will be released from the anode and will start on their journey > > to the cathode. Again, because the voltage is low, the speed is relatively > > low. Using a relatively small spacing between the anode and cathode at the > > start can speed up the process. As more silver ions enter the solution, the > > effective resistance of the cell will decrease until the voltage drop across > > the cell is in the order of 2 volts. At this point, the solution will have > > all the ions it can hold and they will be silver ions, not ions formed by > > stirring or blowing in air. > > > > Arnold > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Craig Chamberlin" <c...@itsmyplace.com> > > To: <silver-list@eskimo.com>; "Arnold Beland" <abel...@tampabay.rr.com> > > Sent: Tuesday, March 19, 2002 3:38 PM > > Subject: Re: CS>Testers > > > > > Arnold, > > > > > > Which value is correct: 0.2 or 2 uA/square mm electrode? > > > > > > Also, shouldn't deionized water produce much less ionic silver? > > > > > > Thank you, > > > > > > Craig Chamberlin > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > To join or quit silver-list or silver-digest send an e-mail message to: > silver-list-requ...@eskimo.com -or- silver-digest-requ...@eskimo.com > with the word subscribe or unsubscribe in the SUBJECT line. > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > >
