Hi Marshall, A few comments. Firstly, whilst the concentration of chloride ions is high in the stomach and may indeed combine with silver ions to form silver chloride(solid), it drops to serum levels and below in the duodenum where most metal absorption occurs. Some of any AgCl(s) will be redissolved here in reflection of the lower Cl- concentration, probably by a couple of orders of magnitude. If the chloride concentration is higher than the Ag+ ion concentration then silver chloride complexes such as AgCl2-(aq) will be formed as well as AgCl(aq). Also other ions will compete for the chloride ion further lowering its availability. And further more, other molecules will compete for the silver ions' attention, these might include transport proteins and enzymes, and vitamin D which acts as a facilitating transport mechanism for metallic cations (M+). Of the remaining silver chloride (solid), there is no reason to believe that the size of the these molecules is too large to be absorbed, indeed at least one study shows that silver chloride readily passes through biological membranes. Therefore it is entirely reasonable to believe that a large proportion of ingested silver ions is available and absorbed.
Thus absorbed, the silver ions will bond to proteins and so on, but much will still be available to replace the hydrogen in sulfhydryl groups and disable pathogen function. Silver chloride will give up silver to sulphide. If the silver load is so large that it cannot be cleared by the bodies chelating and disposal systems, and despite that to some extent no doubt, some silver will bond to tissue, where it may be reduced to silver metal by light and/or be reoxidised by light, depending upon the composition of surrounding molecules. And while to some degree the process of photography is similar, the comparison is not really appropriate, due to the dilution of the CS involved and the presence of a myriad of other molecules and chemicals. And lets be clear, particles of silver (as found in the CS you would prefer to ingest) would be a ready building block for the development of silver grains, such as you describe. In saying all this, I am presuming that one is sensible about the concentration and the amount of silver one ingests, it is entirely possible to develop argyria by taking large amounts of silver (only achievable by ingesting silver compounds) and being nutritionally deficient in some areas and/or surficient in others. I don't think any one is suggesting the ingestion 1000ppm silver citrate complex. Regards Ivan > -----Original Message----- > From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:mdud...@execonn.com] > Sent: Tuesday, 26 March 2002 3:31 p.m. > To: silver-list@eskimo.com > Subject: Re: CS>100-500 PPM CS and how it's made. > > > Kevin Nolan wrote: > > > Marshall; I seem to recall you making these same remarks a > while back. I > > believe Ivan answered at that time that the response to light of > > concentrated silver acetate in a photographic emulsion can > hardly be equated > > to what happens when a dilute solution is ingested in the > human body. > > Yes, but I don't consider 500-1000 ppm as dilute. > > > > > Following some negative comments by Bob Berger on the light > sensitivity of > > CS brewed with citrate (actually, I think it was added > potassium citrate, > > which is a very different situation), I tried an > experiment. Left an old > > PETE jar containing ~ 20 PPM silver, brewed with excess > citric acid, out in > > the sun over the entire summer period. The solution is > still perfectly > > clear, with no signs of any dropout. > > But did you add the developer, and make the ph over 7? > Without those two items, > then "development" will not occur. If it is still acid, then > it cannot occur, > in fact stop bath is normally acetic acid for that reason. > > > I am not sure of the % ionic but there > > is a moderate to strong TE present. By the same token, many > list members > > have reported light sensitivity of CS brewed with DW only - > a sign their > > technique was wrong, rather than any inherent photosensitivity with > > 'traditionally brewed' CS. > > All photsensitivity does is cause a few of the silver atoms > in a compound to > reduce to silver atoms. This is of virtually no consequence, > the real problem > is that more can reduce upon contact with the atom (or CS > particle), and make it > grow until it becomes stuck. This does not require light, > just the right > chemistry, which blood is if you drink a cup of coffee. THE > REDUCTION OF A FEW > IONS TO SILVER ATOMS IS OF NO CONSEQUENCE. IT IS > 'DEVELOPMENT' THAT IS A > PROBLEM. > > > As far as silver citrate being 'another compound > > of silver' - so is predominantly ALL the CS made, whether > HVAC or LVDC. The > > figures quoted are anywhere from 75-99 % ionic silver. Well > it can't just be > > silver ions present - what you have is the COMPOUND silver hydroxide > > (dissociated in solution as ions of course, just as silver > acetate is). So > > the arguement is whether acetate ions are somehow more > dangerous than > > hydroxy ions. My own experience suggests it is quite safe > when taken at the > > same kind of levels as 'ordinary' CS. > > I believe you are asking the wrong question. Silver hydroxide > is not a problem > because the silver immediately binds with the chlorine in the > stomach acid, > producing silver chloride, which for all practical purposes > precipitates out. > The small amount that can stay in solution is so low as to > not be of concern. > The correct question is, what happens when silver citrate is > mixed with the > hydrochloric acid in the stomach. Will it give up the > citrate in favor of > chlorine? If so then it would likely not be a problem for > the same reason, if > it stays in the form of a soluble citrate, then it could be a problem. > > I believe it would extremely easy to test, if you add a > little HCL (muratic > acid) to a solution of silver citrate, does silver chloride > precipitate out? > > Marshall -- The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. 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