Mike, See below.
----- Original Message ----- From: "Mike Monett" <fcue0n...@sneakemail.com> To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Monday, June 09, 2003 5:38 PM Subject: Re: CS>$$$ perpectives > url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m59988.html > Re: CS>$$$ perpectives > From: Trem > Date: Mon, 9 Jun 2003 16:22:08 > > > Hi Mike, > > > I've been hearing you knock flat silver electrodes for some time > > now and think it's about time to say something. I'm SilverGen. Our > > generators do NOT make large particles nor do they EVER produce CS > > that turns yellow. Particle size is .001 to .005 microns. See > > > http://www.silvergen.com/toppage2.htm > > > for visual evidence of particle size. > > > You may be correct in stating that the edges release the silver > > more quickly than the surface but the facts are the facts.... > > current limiting and circulation of the water during production > > using large surface area equals small particles as long as one > > stays under 2 ma./square inch. I hear of many people getting > > yellow CS using other generators that use round wire so you may > > want to rethink your argument. > > > Regards, > > > Trem Williams > > www.silvergen.com > > Hi Trem, > > Nice to hear from you. Of course you can use flat electrodes - you > just have to reduce the current. This means it will be slower than > an equivalent system using round wires and the same wetted area. > > I used to run at 1.4 mA per square inch, and it usually turned > yellow or black after a few days when I tried to make high ppm cs. I > had a low-level residual Shingles infection, and the cs made at this > current had no effect. Not true. Just because you used 1.4 ma/square inch and got yellow CS doesn't mean a thing to me. I use 2 ma/square inch in the SG7 and as I said earlier, it is ALWAYS clear at 20+ ppm. And it produces 2 gallons/hour at 5 ppm or 1 gallon/hour at 10 ppm, and so on. That's not slow in my book. Stirring has a great deal to do with the end product, both in particle size and the allowable current density. And it never turns color. And to try to make a case about efficacy of ions versus ions isn't valid. It either works or it doesn't. If you made yellow CS it obviously had a lot of large colloids and that would certainly explain why it didn't work as well as that made with more ions. As I pointed out earlier, our colloids range in size from .001 to .005 microns. They never reflect light. Too small. If the ions do the job, as I suspect, then making it more quickly by using large surface area flat electrodes and higher current density with stirring is much better than running at less current in order to prevent agglomeration. That's the only thing I see you've been successful at is..... perfecting a slow process that is about the same as watching paint dry. > However, reducing the current density to 80 to 100 microamps per > square inch produces very strong and very clear cs. The rods stay > clean, which indicates very little is wasted making black sludge. It > doesn't turn yellow. > > The cs made with this current density killed the Shingles infection. > The scabs fell off several days later, and have not returned. So is that to say the CS I make would not be just as efficatious? I think it would work exactly the same. I can dazzle you with anecdotal recoveries from a myriad of diseases. Let's not get into whether ions or colloids are best. I'll leave that to others. > > I now only need to take a mouthful every three or four days, instead > of drinking 8 oz each day as I did before. This helps the digestion > a great deal, since much less enters the intestine to kill the > friendlies. > > I use 12 ga folded into a "W" to increase the surface area, which > allows proportionally higher current and shortens the run time. > > I have done a few runs at higher currents that do turn yellow with > the same total number of Coulombs. So I believe there is a critical > current density somewhere between 100 and perhaps 1,000 uA/sq in. You do not take into account the fact that stirring moves the ions away from the anode rapidly enough that they do not agglomerate. > > So the effect of flat plates is you reach the critical current > density sooner than with round wire, since the current is higher at > the edges. I don't believe it. See previous statements. > > With either method, if you are making black sludge and have to clean > the rods, reduce the current and increase the brew time. > > I tried three methods of stirring, and it helps reduce the sludge. > But it had no effect on the Shingles. Low current is the only thing > that worked. > > The other problem with flat plates is keeping them straight and > aligned. 12 ga wire is quite stiff, so it holds alignment very well. > Thin sheet is very difficult to keep flat and straight. Not necessarily true. This isn't rocket science and if they are a bit closer at one end it doesn't make any difference other than a small change in the shutoff ppms. In the case of our SG7 I form the 1 1/2" wide electrodes in a mold to corrugate them and they are very stiff and rigid. This is not an issue. > > Another problem is simple contamination. Systems that leave the rods > loose means they will lay flat. I once got very ill after getting a > drop of something on the rods. I never found where it came from. That has nothing to do with making CS. So, you fouled up. That doesn't guarantee others will. > > With 12 ga wire, you can bolt the rods to a plastic lid. This keeps > them aligned, and you can set the lid upside-down on a table with > the rods sticking in the air while you are emptying the cs to > another container. So you never have to touch the rods or handle > them. Our electrodes are attached to the bottom of the SG6 and it works the same way. Lift it off the jar and decant. Refill with water and set the unit on top of the jar again. Our SG7 uses 4 electrodes spaced 1/2 inch apart. They're cast into a resin block at the top and are on a strut that lets them dangle in the water. Self cleaning too I might add. Operation is a no brainer. > > Flat is OK. Round is better. Flat is better. Round is OK. Trem > > Best Regards, > > Mike Monett > > > -- > The silver-list is a moderated forum for discussion of colloidal silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing may be found at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > > Silver-list archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > >
