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Re: CS> H2O2, ag(+), NaCl
From: Frank Key
Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2003 14:11:28
Hi Frank,
Thanks for taking the time to help answer these questions. I have a
few more:) (previous post lightly snipped to save time.)
> Mike Monett wrote:
>> I gently heated the remaining cs to boil away the water. It is my
>> understanding that a silver ion cannot exist in the free state,
>> and must combine to form particles. So I assume there were no
>> silver ions remaining after the jar dried. (I still don't know
>> where the needed electrons come from, but that is another open
>> issue.)
> The electron comes from the anion that has an excess which gives
> the anion the negative ionic charge. When the water is evaporated
> the anions give up an electron, the cation take on an electron,
> and the compound (salt) is formed. If the salt is water soluble,
> the reverse happens when the salt is dissolved in water causing
> the dissociation into the respective ions.
Where does the salt come from? The cs was made with medium-quality
WalMart dw with the impurities at less than 1ppm. No salt was added.
> Here is more from the FAQ on silver-colloids.com:
> What happens to the silver ions in solution when the water is
> evaporated? Silver ions in a solution cannot exist without water,
> so when the water is evaporated the silver ions (cations) must
> combine with an available anion to form a compound. The
> predominant anions present in a silver colloid solution are
> hydroxide and carbonate. The compounds thus formed are silver
> hydroxide and silver carbonate. Silver hydroxide is unstable and
> reduces to silver oxide and hydrogen. The silver carbonate will
> reduce to silver oxide and carbon dioxide. The final compound that
> remains is silver oxide.
Again, there are not enough impurities in the dw to give much
silver carbonate.
Is silver hydroxide from the OH(-) part of H2O? Then where does it
get the missing electron that went to make the silver hydroxide??
> There is no mystery to how particles are formed by electrolysis.
> The following description has been available on the
> silver-colloids.com website for several years. Here is the
> explanation from the FAQ on silver-colloids.com for those who have
> missed it.
> How does electrolysis produce silver particles? This discussion of
> electrolysis assumes two silver electrodes are placed in deionized
> water a small distance apart. The electrodes are connected to a
> low voltage DC power source (9-30 VDC). The electrode connected to
> the positive (+) terminal is referred to as the anode, the
> electrode connected to the negative (-) terminal is referred to as
> the cathode.
> With the electrolysis process, some of the ions in close proximity
> to the anode will take on an electron from the current passing
> through and be changed from an ion back into an atom.
How can a silver ion take an electron from the current passing
through? I thought the current in an electrolyte was purely ions.
Similarly, I don't see how a silver ion could grab an electron from
the anode. It is perhaps 30 Volts positive with respect to the
cathode.
The nearest source of electrons is the cathode, but it is a very
long way away.
An electron cannot survive in solution. It would be grabbed by a
H(+) ion. Any electrons released by the cathode are used by the H(+)
ions to form hydrogen gas.
So where do the electrons come from to make the particles that form
the mist at both electrodes in the following picture?
http://www.utopiasilver.com/images/gen3.jpg
> frank key
Best Regards,
Mike Monett
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