Just what I was looking for.

Re: "scrubbing with the green thingy"

How do you clean the impurities and garbage off the green thingy
to avoid contamination?  I would think there is something better
like, well, I can't think of anything now. Something that one
doesn't use more than once.

At 05:38 PM 10/3/2003 -0400, you wrote:
url: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m62980.html
Re: CS>RE: sick from cs
From: Stuff
Date: Fri, 3 Oct 2003 14:04:57

  > Does anyone know what the other 97% consists of?

  Mostly water and stabilizers that depend on the  application. Here's
  some info:

    4. What are H2O2 stabilizers and will they affect my application?

    Most commercial  grades of H2O2 contain chelants  and sequestrants
    which minimize its decomposition under normal storage and handling
    conditions. In some applications (e.g., copper etching or cosmetic
    formulations) a  high degree of stabilization is  needed; whereas,
    in others  (e.g.,   drinking   water   treatment  or semiconductor
    manufacture)  product   purity   is   more   important.   For most
    environmental applications,  H2O2  stabilization  does  not affect
    product performance.

    The types  of stabilizers used in H2O2 vary between  producers and
    product grades.   Colloidal   stannate   and  sodium pyrophosphate
    (present at 25 - 250 mg/L) are the traditional mainstays, although
    organophosphonates  (e.g.,   Monsanto's   Dequest   products)  are
    increasingly common.  Other additives may include nitrate  (for pH
    adjustment and  corrosion inhibition) and phosphoric acid  (for pH
    adjustment). Certain  end-uses  - which  depend  on  the bleaching
    ability of  H2O2  in   alkali   -  utilize  colloidal  silicate to
    sequester metals and thereby minimize H2O2 decomposition.

    http://www.h2o2.com/intro/faq.html#4

  Incidentally, Ken posted some good information earlier on using H2O2
  to clean electrodes:

    It's not  neccesary  to clean off  the  darkness..only  remove the
    loose stuff.  The electrode just gets darkened again very  soon so
    scrubbing it off is pointless and you remove a lot of silver along
    with it that you could otherwise use.

    Also, scrubbing with the green thingie smooths the surface  of the
    electrode [by removing silver]

    A rough pitted electrode has more surface area and  lowers current
    density somewhat and provides a surface for any deposits  to stick
    to better so they don't wind up in the water.

    It actually works better if it's not smooth.

    One way  to remove the darkness without scrubbing is to  place the
    electrodes in  hydrogen peroxide but only for a few  minutes. H2O2
    cleans them pretty fast but if you leave them in it,  they'll turn
    black again.

    Be sure  to rinse the H2O2 off with distilled  water  before using
    the electrodes  again.  Allowing them to  dry  completely probably
    does the trick too.

    If you  get  some peroxide into your batch  while  making  CS, all
    sorts of weird things can happen.

    If you  have a batch that's gone yellow, as little as  4  drops of
    peroxide per liter will clear it up in a few days. But  don't ever
    use that to start another batch.

    Ode

    http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60130.html

Best Regards,

Mike Monett


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