Great site... Thanks -----Original Message----- From: Marshall Dudley [mailto:[email protected]] Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 11:35 AM To: [email protected] Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out.
See http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/Teflon/Canary-Teflon-ToxicosisAug03.htm Marshall David W Kenney wrote: > You are correct in the outgassing...I am not sure the type of gas though but > you may be right... > For example many pet birds have been lost in houses who cook with Teflon > because of the gas released. > Dr. Kenney > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jim Holmes [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 10:37 AM > To: [email protected] > Subject: RE: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > I am not certain of this, but I recall having heard from some anecdotal > source that the Teflon toxic out gassing is saran; nerve gas. > > -----Original Message----- > From: Garnet [mailto:[email protected]] > Sent: Friday, October 29, 2004 12:02 AM > To: Silver List > Subject: Re: CS>Staniless steel...watch out. > > I read some time back, while researching MCS, that if the pan over heats > and develops that rainbow look it is even more likely to be toxic for > you. I have seen an SS Revereware pot do this. > > What a nice reason to invest in a good set of pots like Le Cruesette > (sp). > > BTW the glass pots I looked at had a note about them being coated with > Teflon, not visible as they are transparent, made by Corning. Teflon if > it over heats and out gasses is toxic to birds in very small amounts. I > took the pots back, a shame as they were a Christmas gift from my > husband and daughter who thought they would be a great alternative to > SS. > > Garnet > > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 23:01, Alan Clough wrote: > > You may want to re-think stainless steel. A recent article > > by Dr. Mercola reports that Nickel and other metals found > > in SS can be very harmful. He was suggesting ceramic coated > > metal as the best material to cook in. He went on to say > > that if you get SS pots try to get the ones that are still > > magnetic as they do not contain as much Nickel. Apparently > > Nickel is very carcinogenic and contains other metal that > > can leach out depending on how acid or alkaline the food is > > and how long it is in contact with it as well as cooking > > temp. I almost bought a new set of SS cooking pots after > > reading that I am glad I held off. Now to find some good > > porcelain steel pots and pans.. Alan > > ----- Original Message ----- > > From: "Garnet" <[email protected]> > > To: "Silver List" <[email protected]> > > Sent: Thursday, October 28, 2004 11:01 AM > > Subject: Re: CS> > > > > > > Yes that is what I was thinking of, plasitcizers. And I was > > under the > > impression that the hard plastic, like bottled water comes > > in, did not > > out gas the pasticizer. But come to think of it the hard > > plastic > > collection bottle that came with my counter top distiller > > did smell at > > first. I threw out the first few batches of distilled water > > that I made, > > until I could no longer smell it. > > > > Having had MCS in the past I know that even minute amounts > > of a VOC can > > enter directly into brain tissue via the Trigeminal and > > Olfactory > > Cranial Nerves that run through the nasal septum. Even a > > very few > > molecules may affect someone with MCS and will contribute to > > the body's > > total load in anyone. Whether it is a significant > > contribution relative > > to the other exposures we have is a point of debate. > > > > When I collect distilled water from the distiller it comes > > out near > > boiling so it could be further drawing out any available > > plasticizer in > > the time that it is cooling. > > > > Hmmmm . . . what to do, that bottle fits the set up, an open > > vessel > > might allow too much of the steam to excape. > > > > Time to buy that larger stainless steel distiller I have had > > my eye on > > perhpas. > > > > Garnet > > > > > > On Thu, 2004-10-28 at 09:21, Marshall Dudley wrote: > > > It normally is not solvents. Normally what is outgassed > > from any plastic is either > > > the monomer, or plasticizing agents. Soft plastics such > > as PVC will outgas the > > > monomer such as vinyl chloride, and hard plastics that > > have a plasticizer added to > > > them to make them soft will outgas the plasticizer. They > > are both especially nasty, > > > usually both carcinogenic as well as immune suppressive. > > > > > > BTW, I have found that putting many plastics in the oven > > set to 150 F for 24 hours > > > that is adding any taste to water or EIS will outgas > > pretty well all of it in the > > > oven, and not do that after baking. > > > > > > Marshall > > > > > > Garnet wrote: > > > > > > > I was unaware of this. I was under the impression that > > only soft > > > > plastics outgassed their solvent. The thermoset plastics > > supposedly do > > > > not out gas anything. > > > > > > > > If this is true I would not use PET pastic. > > > > > > > > Garnet > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 22:36, Sally Khanna wrote: > > > > > Ever since Greenpeace told me that they release dioxin > > under light or > > > > > heat conditions, I'm afraid to use them (Pet plastic) > > too much. My > > > > > neighbor, who is a scientist checked it out and said > > it was true. > > > > > anyone have any comment? > > > > > > > > > > Sally > > > > > > > > > > Garnet <[email protected]> wrote: > > > > > I use PET bottles to collect the distilled > > water I make > > > > > because it fits > > > > > the set up. For my CS I do use half gallon > > glass canning jars. > > > > > I keep > > > > > the box they come in and store my CS in the > > boxes in the > > > > > pantry. That > > > > > way I always have it on hand for a high need > > situation and I > > > > > can also > > > > > share if someone I know gets sick. They cost > > $1.59 per jar at > > > > > my local > > > > > Ace Hardware, with six I get a box that stacks > > well and does > > > > > not take up > > > > > shelf space since I can put them on the pantry > > floor. I doubt > > > > > that PET > > > > > bottles are any cheaper, but they are lighter > > and have > > > > > handles. > > > > > > > > > > Garnet > > > > > > > > > > On Wed, 2004-10-27 at 16:07, Sally Khanna > > wrote: > > > > > > I have a question - why do many of you use > > PET plastic > > > > > bottles instead > > > > > > of glass to keep the CS in? > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks, > > > > > > Sally > > > > > > > > > > > > Dave and Gwlynda Irek wrote: > > > > > > T! hanks Bo for the reply. Your right I'm > > trying to make 20 > > > > > PPM > > > > > > - on the highest setting. I check every > > gallon of distilled > > > > > > water with my meter before I put it in the > > SilverGen and the > > > > > > average is 0.2 so I'm pretty sure my water > > is ok. I brought > > > > > > new PET plastic water jugs for the CS which > > I have used > > > > > since > > > > > > day one of making CS. I don't rinse them out > > between filling > > > > > > them with the next batch of CS - so they > > should not have any > > > > > > ozonation or minerals from tap water. I will > > try the next > > > > > > batch on the 12 o'clock setting and see what > > happens. > > > > > > > > > > > > Thanks so much for your help > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwlynda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > __ > > > > > > From: bbanever > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, October 27, 2004 12:37 AM > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: CS> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwlynda - There are two potential reasons > > for your yellow > > > > > > batches of CS. Firstly you are probably > > trying to make a > > > > > > batch in the 15 - 20ppm range. Try turning > > the dial down to > > > > > > 12 o'clock so you can make a 10ppm solution. > > This will > > > > > always > > > > > > be clear. Secondly your water may be > > contaminated.... make > > > > > > sure the container is clean and the water is > > only pure > > > > > > distilled water with no ozonation or > > minerals added. > > > > > > > > > > > > Bob > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Dave and Gwlynda Irek > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 8:24 PM > > > > > > Subject: CS> > > > > > > > > > > > > I have been making CS with my SilverGen Pro > > 9 for > > > > > > about 2 months now. All my 5 gallon batches > > of CS has > > > > > > been clear until the last 2 - 5 gallons > > batches. The > > > > > > CS is yellow before I even get it out of the > > > > > > SilverGen. I turn the unit off as soon as it > > is > > > > > > finished and remove the silver and pump. Let > > the > > > > > > CS settle for a few m! inutes then pour it > > into a PET > > > > > > plastic water jug. Can someone tell me why > > my CS is > > > > > > turning yellow during and right after the > > unit turn > > > > > > off? > > > > > > > > > > > > Gwlynda > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ______________________________________________________ > > > > > > From: Jim Holmes > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > Sent: Tuesday, October 26, 2004 10:27 AM > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: RE: CS>question... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Barrett is the quack. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > There is no citation in the medical > > literature of > > > > > > electro-colloidal silver, made with pure > > silver and > > > > > > pure water, causing Argyria. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I have personally tried to have a dialog > > with that > > > > > > duck, and he is not willing to have one. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hulda Clark just successfully sued his ass. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > JOH > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message-----> From: sid aust > > > > > [mailto:[email protected]] > > > > > > Sent: Monday, October 25, 2004 8:19 PM > > > > > > To: [email protected] > > > > > > Subject: CS>question... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I am new to the forum and wondering what the > > side > > > > > > effects of taking CS. I just read one of Dr > > Barrett's > > > > > > article on how it will turn you grey and all > > kinds of > > > > > > bad stuff..and of course Dr Barrett is > > against > > > > > > everything good in alternative medicine..you > > can fine > > > > > > him on the quack forum... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Sid > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ____________________________________________________________ > > __________ > > > > > > Do you Yahoo!? > > > > > > Yahoo! Mail - You care about security. 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