Re: CS>H2O2 and CS
From: Marshall Dudley
Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2004 09:38:46
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74844.html
Marshall,
I'm up against a deadline and don't have time to respond to your
posts in detail, but I don't want you to think I'm ignoring you.
There is one statement I would like to hear more about. You wrote:
> Also, silver plates kill bacteria on contact, this is used in
> water purification, no ions here.
There are plenty of examples showing the effect of ions on bacteria,
but nothing on pure silver.
Do you have any links showing valid tests where pure silver kills
bacteria? The only thing I can find is a NASA spinoff of their
Apollo water purification system. It uses current to generate silver
ions, as described on all the manufacturer's web pages. Here's a
NASA quote on the original invention:
"Chlorine-free pools"
"NASA's silver ion technology has been used to create an automatic
pool purifier. Caribbean Clear Inc. system offers an alternative
to chemicals, such as chlorine and bromine. Purifiers use silver
ions, as used in Apollo Purification Systems, to kill bacteria,
copper ions and algae. They produce spa or pool water that exceeds
EPA Standards for drinking water."
"Spinoff 1994"
http://amesnews.arc.nasa.gov/factsheets/ApolloFS.pdf (400k pdf)
Another problem with your claim is the particles in cs are silver
oxide, not pure silver. I show this in my analysis, which you do not
challenge:
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m74754.html
The silver oxides produced in the electrolysis of silver are inert.
There are no studies I can find showing that it kills bacteria or
viruses. Even Frank Key states silver oxides are inert.
When you froze your HVAC product, the oxides agglomerated into a
black ball in the center, as shown here:
http://silver-lightning.com/freezing.jpg
The black color confirms the particles in your product are silver
oxide, and not silver metal. Here is the conclusion from your post:
"Conclusion. Freezing caused aggregration tf the silver, and most
of it precipitated out. What was remaining in the water also
aggregated from smaller particles (and likely ions) to much larger
particles. Since tyndall goes up to the 3rd power of particle
size, a lower concentration of larger particles causes the tyndall
to be about the same."
"Freezeing definitely messes up CS."
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60769.html
On the other hand, high-ppm ionic cs, such as the cs I make, is not
affected by freezing:
"Well, I saw the liquid bubble surrounded by ice, but it was
clear. Everything was frozen solid the next time I looked."
"I kept it in the freezer for 24 hrs, then took it out and let it
thaw."
"There was no residue in the bottom, the cs was crystal clear, and
the salt test was perfectly normal."
"So, cs made at 87 uA/sq.in. to a target value of 19 ppm is
unaffected by freezing."
"Best Regards,"
"Mike Monett"
http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m60794.html
I can attest this cs is very effective on the Shingles virus, as
well as any other infection or cut I use it on. Many other users of
high-ppm ionic cs also say the same thing.
But if silver ions are converted to silver chloride, as you claim,
and the particles in cs are silver oxide as I have shown above, the
only thing left in your product is the distilled water.
So how can your product kill bacteria and viruses?
Best Wishes,
Mike Monett
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