As an amateur, I am agnostic on the never-ending controversy, and try
to keep an open mind while continuing my self-education. I note that
just about everyone on this list has, in the end, observed that quality
home-brew EIS is effective for many complaints, and I have seen a
Silvergen product eliminate conjunctivitis in a matter of hours (yes,
yes, just another anecdote . . . )
I find the back-and-forth useful, but in the end, not completely
convincing. But here is an interesting claim for a final
putting-to-rest of the ionic/colloid argument, that some readers may
find informative.
http://www.natural-immunogenics.com/
documentation_detail.php?DocumentID=5
NB Jason Eaton, whom long-timers know quite well, has recommended the
products of this company for those who can afford them, while at the
same time endorsing EIS as a low-cost solution efficacious for most of
us.
JBB
On Friday, Mar 25, 2005, at 03:54 Asia/Tokyo, Info wrote:
Marshall wrote:
.....and Steve's work indicates that colloidal
silver, at least the meso silver product, does not kill pathogens, so
we
are
kind of back where we started.
Given Quinto's past history of "scientific" claims for his ionic
product
such as "Each drop yields more than 100,000,000 million particles of
pure
silver that possess energia." The word "energia" is a make-believe
word that
has no definition on his website or in the known universe. This is
called
techno-babble; the use of technical sounding words to impress the
non-technical reader.
Furthermore, Quinto continues to promotes his ionic product by the use
of
TEM images that he claims show proof of the small particles in the
product
when in reality they only show particles of silver oxide formed during
sample preparation.
See: http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html
In a court room the jury must always ascertain the credibility of a
witness.
How can one attribute any credibility to Quinto's bacteriology studies
when
confronted with his past and still current use of bogus science to
promote
his product. A prudent observer may find it difficult to believe
anything he
says.
On the other hand, one of the largest and most respected testing
laboratories in the country (EMSL) has performed pathogen challenge
tests on
Mesosilver designed to the most rigorous scientific standards. For
those who
don't know what "rigorous scientific standards" for pathogen testing
means;
the tests must be performed in triplicate, with plating in duplicate
and
results shown as "means" and "standard deviations". This is required
for
"publication quality", meaning no scientific publication would consider
publishing your paper if the tests were no up to this standard. It is
also
the standard required by the FDA for pharmaceutical testing.
The Mesosilver test results prove beyond the slightest doubt that
Mesosilver
killed every pathogen it was tested on. Here are the tests:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/biostudies.html
We have not seen published test results from any manufacturer of ionic
silver products that comes close to meeting the rigorous scientific
standards that were used by EMSL for the Mesosilver tests. Virtually
all the
test results we have seen to-date were performed as disinfectant type
tests
where the product is used full strength. Properly designed in vitro
pathogen
challenge tests attempt to simulate the as close as possible, or at
least
bracket, the concentration levels that can be achieved in the
bloodstream.
To achieve in vivo the concentrations used in Quinto's testing would
require
that all your blood must be drained and replaced with ionic silver, a
requirement that some may consider to be unreasonable.
Frank Key
Colloidal Science Lab.
www.colloidalsciencelab.com
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