Mike Monett wrote: > Re: CS>Silver-Colloids responds > From: Ode Coyote > Date: Sat, 26 Mar 2005 05:32:15 > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m78903.html > > Mike Monett wrote: > > >>> 5. what tests were done to detect silver in the blood? > > >> That is a good question. Anyone know where these tests were run? > >> Were they run by Frank or Steve? > > >> Marshall > > > Tests were done by Frank with an ion selective probe. He found no > > ions of silver. > > > If he also tested for silver as a metallic particle or the > > presence of silver in any other form, I don't know and he didn't > > say. > > > That in itself is a bit of a strange ommission. > > > Ode > > For those unfamiliar with ISE's, here is an excellent introduction > > "A guide to ion selective measurement" > > http://www.tecservice.com.ar/Documentos/folletos/Gumedicislectivo.pdf > > Trem posted a brief review of Ivan's comments on Roger Altman's > study on what happens to colloidal silver after it enters the > bloodstream: > > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > Here's what Ivan had to say on the subject some time ago. > > "Well, I was bound to comment on the ionic vs elemental colloid > thread eventually... > > "Firstly the idea that silver ions precipitate out in the alimentary > tract, and never make it to the blood stream, is pure speculation. > This theory is most eloquently proposed by Purest Colloids who > market a product of high elemental colloid percentage. > > "However the theory, I believe, is pretty much debunked by an > article which is (ironically) found on the Purest Colloids sister > web site: > > http://www.silver-colloids.com/Papers/AltmanStudy.PDF > > "This study was written by Roger Altman (who used to grace this list > with his not inconsiderable presence) and details the elimination vs > ingestion of what would be a high ionic percentage CS. He found that > pretty much what is ingested is what comes out, and that a high > percentage comes out in the urine. Now these ions did not get into > the urine by precipitating out and not getting into the blood > stream, obviously the blood stream is exactly where they ended up. > > "The fact that a high percentage of ingested ions emerged in the > urine also suggests that little is bound in the tissues (at least in > this case) which further suggests that in order to develop argyria, > a large amount of silver must be consumed, and/or specific (and > unusual?) circumstances are present, such as deficiencies in vitamin > E and/or selenium (or perhaps overdose of selenium, as suggested by > some research). > > [...] > > http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/m71527.html > -------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Many people use sublingual absorption, then spit the cs out. I find > this to be an extremely effective way of getting cs into the > bloodstream. Since it is not swallowed, it cannot enter the > alimentary tract and be eliminated. It has to exit via the urine. > > So if Frank coudn't find the ions, it may be a measurement or > instrumentation problem. They are definitely present in the blood.
How on earth do you reach that conclusion. I have already outlined how ionic silver most likely works when ingested, silver hydroxide -> silver chloride -> (maybe ammonial silver complexes) -> silver particles. That study you reference gives results for silver elimination, it does not differentiate if the silver that is being eliminated is ionic (a compound), or colloid. If it is a colloid as my analysis indicates it should be then I would expect that there would be no ionic in the blood, and that it would be eliminated by the kidney and would be detected by Roger's research. There is nothing inconsistant here. Other possibilities are that the silver is chelated or binds with a protein, both of which I believe would cause it to not be sensed with an ion specific probe, but would still be eliminated by the kidneys in one form or another and deteced by Roger. Marshall > > > Regards, > > Mike Monett > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com>
