Jonathan B. Britten wrote:
The major point for most of us on this list is your observation that both
ionic products and particulate products have nearly identical effects.
It has always been our position that both EIS and Mesosilver will both
perform fine in a petri dish. We offer this EMSL report as proof:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/EMSL/Ecoli2.pdf
We have always held the belief that when it comes to ionic silver, in vitro
(petri dish) test results have little or no correlation to what would happen
in vivo (in the body). We have always stated that to present in vitro
pathogen tests for ionic silver and then imply that this is what would
happen in the human body is misleading in the extreme.
Clearly, it was the EMSL report that stimulated your following comments.
This would seem to be contrary to your earlier assertions that it was only
the particulate component of EIS that had an effect. If I properly
understand your message below, you have had a major change in thinking
from your earlier postings. Please correct me if I am misinterpreting
your points. If I am not, we list members are seeing a very important
change in your opinion, which is important as I believe you have made a
good-faith effort to present the scientific facts as you see them.
Not correct. We have always held the belief that the ionic portion will form
silver chloride in the body and cannot survive to circulate in the
bloodstream as ionic silver. Silver particles are unaffected by hydrochloric
acid in the stomach or chloride in the blood serum and will circulate as
silver particles.
We have never stated the ionic silver (EIS) products produce no benefit.
We have always stated that we believe the benefit derives from the silver
particles that are present in these products (EIS). We have always stated
our belief that the most accurate metric for determining how well a silver
colloid will perform in vivo is "particle surface area" not silver
concentration (ppm). This conclusion was shared by my former associate, the
late Ronald Gibbs.
In his booklet "Silver Colloids", Professor Ronald Gibbs wrote "The size of
the particles in the colloidal silver suspensions we use for health purposes
is very important. Particle size controls the surface area and therefore the
effectiveness of the colloidal silver suspension."
Here is why we released the EMSL comparison test results:
We released the EMSL test results which show a side by side comparison with
a representative ionic product (ASAP 22) to counter the Quinto in house
tests in which he claims that Mesosilver has no biological affect. Some
folks on this list parrot that data as though is was holy gospel and publish
website links to the Quinto data.
Here are EMSL reports for 10 UPS pathogens:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/biostudies.html We believe the EMSL
reports present overwhelming scientific evidence that directly contradicts
the Quinto study.
If Quinto's results are correct, then the EMSL results cannot be correct.
Likewise, if the EMSL results are correct, then Quinto's results must be
bogus.
The question then becomes "who is more credible as a bacteriology testing
lab, Stephen Quinto or EMSL?"
We believe:
Quinto clearly has an axe to grind and has a history spanning many years of
using bogus science to promote his product. For years he claimed his product
had "energia", a make believe techno-babble word. This is the claim "Each
drop yields more than 100,000,000 million particles of pure silver that
possess energia."
To this day Quinto uses TEM images in his promotion. See:
http://www.silver-colloids.com/Pubs/TEM.html
We believe that both "energia" and TEM images are bogus science.
EMSL Analytical (http://www.emsl.com/) is one of the foremost testing
laboratories in the country with 23 labs located throughout the U.S. No
bogus science here.
Can there be any credibility to Quinto's bacteriology study claims in the
face of overwhelming conflicting evidence from EMSL? We think not.
Frank Key
Colloidal Science Lab.
www.colloidalsciencelab.com
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