Terry, you have obviously done a lot of research and thinking on this matter of what to call what we do.
It's important, particularly (sic) when we are talking to others and trying to tell them about the benefits and simplicity of using silver for their health. The term CS or Colloidal Silver, or trying to explain EIS starts it's own topic and little is learned. I vote for Nanosilver since it's so easy to accept and the tests are online about it in more than one place. It's a great way to initiate newcomers to Silver.... Mike, how about a vote from the list to see if we can all agree on a single description of what we make. Now, would that be Nanosilver, Nanosilver water, Nanosilver in a bottle, or what? ----- Original Message ----- From: "Terry Chamberlin" <tcj...@yahoo.ca> To: <silver-list@eskimo.com> Sent: Saturday, November 19, 2005 5:14 PM Subject: CS> > Langsley said, > >In the case of EIS or ionic silver the ion has lost > one electron resulting in a positive charge. Hence, > ions of silver are one atom of silver minus one > electron. They measure 0.000252 microns/micrometers > across. Their size does not vary. Technically ions are > not particles of silver, those, in our context, are > colloids. We are not talking about a colloid but an > ionic solution. Therefore the term particles, though > convenient, does not really apply.< > > Actually, we need to be using commonly-accepted > scientific terms so that we do not speak our own > proprietary language which a normal scientific > professional would not understand nor agree with. > > You said, "Technically, ions are not particles of > silver. those are colloids." > > But ions ARE particles if we use the scientific > definitions. Notice: > > http://physics.tamuk.edu/~hewett/ModPhy1/Unit2/Duality/Particles&Waves/Particles/Particles.html > > 1. Properties of Particles: position, velocity, mass, > electric charge, spin, color, momentum, energy, etc. > 2. Classical particle: An object of negligible size > and structure compared to all other distances > pertaining to the physical situation. > 3. Fundamental particle (or ideal particle): A > point-like perturbation or local disturbance in space > that retains its identity for an extended period of > time. > > Also notice: > ion > An ion is an atom or group of atoms in which the > number of electrons is different from the number of > protons. If the number of electrons is less than the > number of protons, the particle is a positive ion, > also called a cation. If the number of electrons is > greater than the number of protons, the particle is a > negative ion, also called an anion. A compound, as > well as individual atom, can be ionized. A common > example is nitrate, which consists of a nitrogen atom > and 3 oxygen atoms (NO3) in the form of an anion; this > is symbolized NO3- because it normally has a surplus > of a single electron. > > http://whatis.techtarget.com/definition/0,289893,sid9_gci859894,00.html > > So silver-nitrate is ionic, yet it causes argyria. > > I recognize that in the past we have attempted to > differentiate between silver particles in suspension > and those in solution by calling the first > "colloids/particles" and the second "ions". But, using > the standard definition of a particle, ions are also > particles. You stated about ions, that, "They measure > 0.000252 microns/micrometers across. Their size does > not vary." How did you arrive at this definition? Is > this a fact accepted by standard scientific usage? > Please provide references. Based on standard > scientific definitions, I would have to disagree with > the above definition of an ion. > > This does not enable us to clearly differentiate > between one size and another size of silver particle. > We want to be able to easily refer to the action of > silver when it is smaller than a certain size (smaller > than a colloid) because we are convinced that there is > no danger of any kind from silver particles of this > size. > > >The term, colloidal silver, technically, not > surprisingly, refers only to a genuine colloid. That > is, particles of silver suspended in a liquid, > generally distilled water. Now, particles in a colloid > can and do really vary in size. These particles are > typically in the range of .001 to .100 micrometers, > orders of magnitude larger than ions.< > > But we recognize that every colloidal particle has a > charge. This is part of what holds it in suspension. > Each particle, having the same charge, repels every > other particle like the two positive ends of two > magnets repel each other. We further understand that > when a colloidal particle loses its charge it falls > out of suspension or aggregates to another particle. > So, in fact, every colloidal particle is also an ion. > These two words, ions and colloids (or particles), are > entirely inadequate to distinguish between large and > small silver particles. > > When we use the word, *ionic*, we usually mean > particles even smaller than colloids, even too small > to refract light (a silver solution that has no > Tyndall effect is considered to be mostly or > completely ionic). But, in fact, *ionic* simply means > a particle with a charge (number of electrons is > different from the number of protons), and particle > size is irrelevant. Everything we brew is *ionic* > silver, since the DC process we use charges the > particles. > > Two scientists, Robert H. Demling & Robert E. Burrel, > have reported on the properties and efficacy of > extremely small silver particles, which they are > calling Nanosilver. Note: > > "The property of matter depends on size and many of > the chemical and physical characteristics change > significantly when matter is reduced in size. > Nanotechnology is a general term that refers to a > relatively new frontier of scientific endeavor. The > prefix "nano" signifies one-billionth. Therefore, a > nanometer is one-billionth of a meter, a nanogram is > one-billionth of a gram. Ten hydrogen atoms placed > side by side measures one nanometer in length." > http://www.cesil.com/leaderforchemist/articoli/inglese/7demlinging/7demlinging.htm > > > This seems to me to adequately define and designate > the distinction we need to discuss the production, > properties and applications of silver particles small > enough to pass through the body's cell walls without > the confusion that comes from having a clear agreement > on terminology, especially where it differs from > standard scientific usage. > > We discuss the merits of colloids (particles) vs. > ions, but they are the same. We should discuss > colloidal silver vs. nanosilver so that we are talking > about large particles suspended in water vs very small > particles of silver which are functionally dissolved > into the water (solutions). When the FDA reports that > silver caused argyria, we know they are not talking > about Nanosilver, which cannot produce argyria in any > quantity. Colloidal silver CAN produce argyria, as > demonstrated by Stan Jacobs. It is difficult, but > possible. > > If we agreed to utilize the accepted definition of > Nanosilver being particles smaller than a certain size > (such as that discussed by Drs. Demling and Burrel), > we can also share our information with other > professionals without having to define certain words > our way, which damages our credibility. As it > presently stands, we have used *ionic* to mean > particles of a certain very small size, which is not > correct, and would not be understood by a doctor or > scientist. Since *nano* refers to one-billionth, it > cannot mean colloidal. > > I make EIS that is approximately 90-95% nanosilver and > 5-10% colloidal. They are both ionic, since they both > have a positive charge. It is crystal clear, which > denotes small particle size. It is extremely stable, > lasting for years (so far), and is unaffected by > sunlight, temperature or magnetism. > > It is extremely effective, with multiple > doctor-confirmed cases of remission from cancer, MS > and herpes - both Simplex (cold sore) and Zoster > (Shingles). I've seen complete resolution (usually > overnight) of infections of throat, eye, ear, skin, > sinus, mouth, bladder and others I've forgotten. > > Do I think my EIS is the best? I have no idea, I > suspect most EIS is this effective. > > When I am asked about argyria by new initiates, I > discuss the difference between large and small > particles, between colloidal silver and nanosilver. > > Terry Chamberlin > > > > > > > > __________________________________________________________ > Find your next car at http://autos.yahoo.ca > > > -- > The Silver List is a moderated forum for discussing Colloidal Silver. > > Instructions for unsubscribing are posted at: http://silverlist.org > > To post, address your message to: silver-list@eskimo.com > Silver List archive: http://escribe.com/health/thesilverlist/index.html > > Address Off-Topic messages to: silver-off-topic-l...@eskimo.com > OT Archive: http://escribe.com/health/silverofftopiclist/index.html > > List maintainer: Mike Devour <mdev...@eskimo.com> > > > -- > No virus found in this incoming message. > Checked by AVG Free Edition. > Version: 7.1.362 / Virus Database: 267.13.4/175 - Release Date: 11/18/2005 > >
