Dear Brooks,

Wonderful news about your financial situation! I am glad to hear that. I know everyone on this list has benefitted in one way or another from your informative postings.

As for my mention of particular individuals on the list, I should say again that these were merely examples for the purpose of discussion, and hope that no one misconstrues my intentions.

Cheers,


JBB


On Monday, Jan 30, 2006, at 14:19 Asia/Tokyo, Brooks Bradley wrote:

           Dear Jonathan,
Although I greatly appreciate your gracious thought, I feel constrained to remind the list membership: We do not solicit, or accept, outside contributions. We are very well funded, and enjoy an extraordinary experience of professional and personal freedom.....through being exempt of governmental, political---even social----pressure attendant to accepting other peoples money to fund "our personal" choices for research pursuits. It is more in keeping with our principles of operation that we should give financial support to the Silver List......than to accept financial benefit from it.
                     Best Regards, Brooks.
----- Original Message -----
From: "Jonathan B. Britten" <jbrit...@cc.nakamura-u.ac.jp>
To: silver-list@eskimo.com
Subject: Re: CS>[List Owner] Future plans...
Date: Sun, 29 Jan 2006 15:17:39 +0900


I have a few thoughts, Mike.   Here goes:

First, yes, I would be willing to make a modest financial
contribution, preferably via PayPal.   However. . .

Although I think that the non-commercial status is valuable,
certain kinds of carefully-chosen fund-raising might defer most of
the costs of a web-site format, and might even provide some modest
research funds distributable to those who have non-profit
laboratories, such as Brooks. Bradley.

Just as an arbitrary example, a PayPal link to Bob Berger's new
book, channeled through the SilverList, could include a small
surcharge for site maintenance.

Bob's book is just an example, and I apologize if this example
seems presumptuous of me.   How he sells this book is his business,
naturally.   My point is that I don't think the integrity of the
List would be compromised by such a service, nor by links to, say,
SilverGen or SilverPuppy, provided that the exact financial
relationship between the list and the vendors  was crystal clear to
everyone.

A two hundred dollar purchase from a vendor might yield, say, two
dollars to the List.  Or more.  Or less.  I am no businessman.

This discussion may soon need to move to the off-topic page, but I
wanted to put a few ideas out on the main page.

NB that the excellent Whole Earth Review started a
carefully-controlled experiment with advertising, after many years
of forbidding it.  Done properly, I think, some sort of arrangement
of the kind I suggest could make the List financially
self-sustaining.

JBB




On Sunday, Jan 29, 2006, at 09:10 Asia/Tokyo, M. G. Devour wrote:

Hello everyone. I hope the day finds you well!

During the last few weeks I have researched, with excellent help from
many of you, ideas for what to do next with the Silver List and our web
archive situation. I think I've settled on a plan that will take us a
long way.

What I want to do is ...

* Create a web-based forum that will serve as archives and home for our
community.

* Integrate it with a fully functional e-mail interface for those who
want to continue subscribing that way... Like Yahoo! Groups done right.

* Recruit a team of volunteers to spread the workload, preserve our
healthy group culture, and lessen the risk of the community failing if
I decide to retire someday or become incapacitated.

* Make sure the list is on a solid technical and financial footing for
the foreseeable future.

The basis for this effort will be software from Jelsoft, Ltd., called
vBulletin. See: <www.vbulletin.com> This is a good commercial package
for running web forums. It's secure and scalable, support is solid, and there is a vigorous developer community adding new features and options
all the time.

I have purchased a copy of the software and am starting the long
process of configuring and adapting it to the way I want things to
work. What with converting our archives to forum format and integrating the e-mail functions, I am mentally prepared for it to take the next 3
to 4 months to bring everything online.

If it seems that I can get the archives up sooner than that, of course
I will try to do so.

As we approach launch, I also want to do some fundraising. I will ask
the community to pitch in, with the goal of raising enough money to pay
for the next 5 years of domain registration and hosting. Paying for 5
years up front gets us a major price break from Eskimo.

My estimate of the cost -- excluding wildly unexpected growth rates or
significant legal fees -- works out to somewhere around $1500 (US). I
have already received a donation from one generous soul which has let
me buy the software and will be a start toward the rest. I have faith
that we can achieve this goal.

Meanwhile, I plan to create a voluntary subscription option that will
reward those who contribute a small amount each year with a number of
functional and cosmetic enhancements to their membership to the forums and list. I won't do anything to prevent free access to the information
we have to share, but I hope to create at least a small incentive for
people to contribute. A searchable CD of the archives is another
potential product for us.

Together, these ideas should create a modest cashflow that will help me
keep the site free of advertising and preserve our non-commercial
character.

There are benefits for me in all this, sure.

For one thing, having other people helping will mean I can take a
vacation from time to time and know the group will be well cared for. I also won't have to worry any more about being a single point of failure
that can take down the group for good.

For another, I have kids starting to apply to college, so money is
going to be tight around here for a long time. Taking the financial
burden of running the list & forums off my family's shoulders will be
very helpful. My wife thanks you! <grin>

It'll even give me the incentive I need to update my computer skills
enough to complete my personal quest to be free of Microsoft products!

What's most important, though, is that we can carry on our mission of
getting good, clear, impartial information on CS and related subjects
out to the people who need it, and do it better than ever before.

It will be easy to build a 'Getting Started' section filled with all
the information new people need.

We should be able to handle growth with fewer problems.

We'll have our archives back, finally, with in-house control and much
better search functionality. <haleluja!!>

So, there's the state of my thinking. Nothing is cast in stone, people! If you have thoughts, ideas, suggestions, fears, questions, complaints,
or any sort of advice, please feel free to contact me privately at
mdev...@eskimo.com, on this list, or on the OT list.

I've been at this job for going on 8 years. If I'm going to keep on
doing it, it would be nice to do it better -- for your sake and mine.

Be well,

Mike Devour
silver-list owner

[Mike Devour, Citizen, Patriot, Libertarian]
[mdev...@eskimo.com                        ]
[Speaking only for myself...               ]


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