Did VMS 1.5 support the TS11? I thought the TS11 came out later. On Sun, 5 Nov 2017 10:39:15 +0000 Peter Allan <petermal...@gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks to Wilm, I now have VMS 1.5 up and running. This is new > territory for me since my first exposure to VAXen was in late 1982 > when the version was something like 3.0, or just possibly the last > version of 2.x. (I didn't pay attention to such things back then. If > I could write Fortran programs, I was happy.) > > However, the fact that I could complete the installation of VMS 3.0 by > using a simulated TS11 tape drive when it failed with a TE16 drive > has got me wondering if there is a bug in simh. Surely on a real > system you could use a real TS11 or TE16 drive? Obviously there is no > density on a simulated tape file, but is there any other difference > between the two simulated tape drives that explains what is going on? > > Cheers > > Peter Allan > > > On 25 October 2017 at 14:08, Peter Allan <petermal...@gmail.com> > wrote: > > > Thanks Wilm, I will try that out. I doubt I would have thought of > > using a TS11 rather than a TE16 without your advice. > > > > Peter > > > > On 25 October 2017 at 12:39, Wilm Boerhout <wboerh...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > > > >> Your approach is correct, I have regularly used it over the past > >> weeks to bring up VMS 1.0. > >> > >> I also saw these CRC errors on restore sometimes. There are two > >> ways around this: > >> > >> 1. Mount the 3.0 tape on a generic (newer) VAX/VMS system, use > >> $MOUNT/OVER=ID and copy the LIBRARY and OPTIONAL savesets to a > >> (RP06-sized) disk in the [0,0] directory. In a later step, $ > >> mount /foreign this disk, and point the installer to this disk as > >> the source. 2. On your 3.0 system just booted with just the > >> REQUIRED saveset, use a TS11 and not a TE16 tape unit in the simh > >> config. Somehow this worked. Also, when you use a TE16, use an > >> explicit $MOU/FOR /DEN=800. I forget in which version, but this > >> also worked sometimes. > >> > >> HTH > >> > >> /Wilm > >> > >> > >> Peter Allan schreef op 25-10-2017 om 13:30: > >> > >>> Encouraged by all of the posting about running VMS 1.5 on an > >>> emulated VAX 780 with simh, I have tried to do the same. However, > >>> I am having a problem. > >>> > >>> I don't have an existing VMS 3.x system running (4.6 is my > >>> earliest), so I tried to do a VMS 3.0 installation using the tape > >>> from uni-stuttgart which I had downloaded some time ago. > >>> > >>> I booted a VMS 4.6 system on an emulated 780 and did an image > >>> restore using BACKUP of the REQUIRED saveset on the VMS 3.0 > >>> installation tape to an RP06. So far, so good. Then I booted the > >>> newly created RP06 disk, which continued the installation process > >>> by attempting to restore the LIBRARY saveset on the VMS 3.0 tape. > >>> However, this crashed with too many CRC errors. > >>> > >>> This is where I am stuck. I could download the tape from > >>> uni-stuttgart again, but is there any reason to expect a better > >>> result by doing this? Can someone who has got this to work advise > >>> me what to try next please. I have downloaded the files that > >>> Christian posted, but while that has standalone backup on a disk > >>> image, I need DSC to read the VMS 1.5 tape (don't I?) which is > >>> the only reason that I was trying to get VMS 3.0 working in the > >>> first place. > >>> > >>> Cheers > >>> > >>> Peter Allan > >>> > >>> On 20 October 2017 at 09:43, Wilm Boerhout <wboerh...@gmail.com > >>> <mailto: wboerh...@gmail.com>> wrote: > >>> > >>> Matt Burke schreef op 17-10-2017 om 23:17: > >>> > >>> You may also want to try VAX/VMS 1.0 (or as close as you > >>> can get to it): > >>> > >>> > >>> http://www.9track.net/vms/BB-D782A-BE.zip > >>> <http://www.9track.net/vms/BB-D782A-BE.zip> > >>> > >>> This is not taken from an original tape. It's something I > >>> reconstructed > >>> from a disk containing early VAX/VMS source and binaries. > >>> The dates > >>> indicate that this is earlier than VAX/VMS 1.5. > >>> Hopefully someone can find an original at some point. > >>> > >>> Matt > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Simh mailing list > >>> Simh@trailing-edge.com <mailto:Simh@trailing-edge.com> > >>> http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh > >>> <http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh> > >>> > >>> > >>> Wonderful! > >>> > >>> > >>> I now have VMS 1.0 up and running on simh VAX780. Does anyone > >>> know whereto find the Fortran installation tape for this system? > >>> > >>> > >>> BTW, I also use a fine VT52 emulator I found on github. > >>> > >>> > >>> /Wilm > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Simh mailing list > >>> Simh@trailing-edge.com <mailto:Simh@trailing-edge.com> > >>> http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh > >>> <http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> > >>> _______________________________________________ > >>> Simh mailing list > >>> Simh@trailing-edge.com > >>> http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh > >>> > >> > >> > >> _______________________________________________ > >> Simh mailing list > >> Simh@trailing-edge.com > >> http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh > >> > > > > _______________________________________________ Simh mailing list Simh@trailing-edge.com http://mailman.trailing-edge.com/mailman/listinfo/simh