> On Jan 26, 2018, at 2:17 PM, Johnny Billquist <b...@softjar.se> wrote:
>
> On 2018-01-26 18:48, Timothe Litt wrote:
>> BLISS-36,-16,-32,-32E,-64E, MIPS, INTEL, IA64, are DEC's common BLISS -
>> evolved (and greatly extended) from BLISS-11, but not (really)
>> source-compatible for non-trivial programs. "common" means that (with
>> carefully defined exceptions that can be conditionally compiled), the same
>> language is accepted by all, and it's possible to write portable programs.
>> Including common BLISS itself. RMS-10/20 is another non-trivial example -
>> same sources as VAX/RMS. There are a number of targets and host environment
>> combinations that are supported.
>> BLISS-16 is hosted on both PDP-10 and VAX, producing PDP-11 object code. I
>> used both. I didn't encounter an Alpha-hosted version - but it should have
>> compiled & run there, so it probably existed. Or was VESTed.
>
> I don't think BLISS-16 ran on PDP-10, but I could be wrong. I've never seen
> or heard anything about BLISS-16 running on Alpha or beyond. I guess it could
> be possible to do, but I sortof doubt anyone did. If anyone have the bits, I
> would be very interested in hearing about it, as I would like to recompile
> some bits and pieces. (Any BLISS-16 compiler would be a good start.)
>
>> Most software written in BLISS-10 & -11 was converted to common BLISS.
>> There was an attempt at self-hosting BLISS-16, but it failed - technically,
>> it ran, but there really wasn't enough address space to make it usable.
>> Cross-compiling wasn't popular (networks were crude), so BLISS-16 was not as
>> widely adopted.
>
> Well, parts of the RSX kernel is written in BLISS-16, and all of RMS-11. Also
> some parts of DECnet-11M-PLUS.
> That much I know. I don't know what else might been written in BLISS-16.
>
Do you know which parts ended up in Bliss? I was project lead for the
first version of DECnet-11M-Plus which was written entirely in Macro-11 (Well
there may have been Fortran/Basic etc in the run-time libraries).
John.
> Johnny
>
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