On 2018-07-19 02:07, Paul Koning wrote:
On Jul 18, 2018, at 7:18 PM, Johnny Billquist <[email protected]> wrote:
...
It's probably worth pointing out that the reason I implemented that was not
because of hardware problems, but because of software problems. DECnet can
degenerate pretty badly when packets are lost. And if you shove packets fast
enough at the interface, the interface will (obviously) eventually run out of
buffers, at which point packets will be dropped.
This is especially noticeable in DECnet/RSX at least. I think I know how to
improve that software, but I have not had enough time to actually try fixing
it. And it is especially noticeable when doing file transfers over DECnet.
All ARQ protocols suffer dramatically with packet loss. The other day I was reading a
recent paper about high speed long distance TCP. It showed a graph of throughput vs.
packet loss rate. I forgot the exact numbers, but it was something like 0.01% packet
loss rate causes a 90% throughput drop. Compare that with the old (1970s) ARPAnet rule
of thumb that 1% packet loss means 90% loss of throughput. Those both make sense; the
old one was for "high speed" links running at 56 kbps, rather than the
multi-Gbps of current links.
The other thing with nontrivial packet loss is that any protocol with
congestion control algorithms triggered by packet loss (such as recent versions
of DECnet), the flow control machinery will severely throttle the link under
such conditions.
So yes, anything you can do in the infrastructure to keep the packet loss well
under 1% is going to be very helpful indeed.
Right. That said, TCP behaves extremely much better than DECnet here. At
least if we talk about TCP with the ability to deal with out of order
packets (which most should do) and DECnet under RSX. The problem with
DECnet under RSX is that recovering from a lost packet because of
congestion essentially guarantees that congestion will happen again,
while TCP pretty quickly comes into a steady working state.
I have not analyzed other DECnet implementation enough to tell for sure
if they also exhibit the same problem.
Johnny
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