Kurzweil already postulated this a while ago. Although I don't agree with his conclusions. He says that if any society were to attain the "singularity" then their presence would already be felt, and since we can feel no presence then essentially this proves that humans are the only sentient life forms in EXISTENCE. I wholeheartedly disagree with Kurzweil's reasoning in this matter, since he takes such a human perspective in regards to imagining an alien technology. I think his stance is very presumptuous on his part. For instance he assumes that we haven't felt their presence merely because there isn't anything to detect. When in fact he never considered that human senses or sciences may not be acute enough to detect them. He also assumes that these creatures would conveinently leave their alien presence where ever they stepped foot, although even we humans attempt to cover our presence when disturbing the nesting grounds of rare animals. Also the concept of the singularity is thought of in human terms, in our solar system, with our prejudices. For instance other galaxies are known to be denser in mass than ours, who knows what kind of exotic conditions a lifeform could develop under? Singularity in human terms appears to mean having computing power to calculate well... everything. But the real question is what is "everything" to us? Put it into terms of a tribesman meeting a city dweller, both are looking for "wealth" but they are different things to the city dweller and tribesman. The city man would probably want gold or currency, whereas the tribesman sees wealth as livestock or medicinal herbs. Both are valuable, but in different ways to the two cultures. Meeting a creature from this denser plane we could find out that the common elements of the period table are used in much different ratios than here on Earth. This could affect their whole rationale for forming a singularity, in other words their concept of "everything" and "universe" itself may consist of layers of dimensions rather than just controlling what they see - whatever that may be.
----- Original Message ---- From: Eric B. Ramsay <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: singularity@v2.listbox.com Sent: Tuesday, March 27, 2007 9:44:04 PM Subject: [singularity] Implications of an already existing singularity. I am very enthusiatic over the idea of humans creating a singularity and hope myself to contribute meaningfully to this effort down the road. In the same way that I believe it should be possible to have an AGI, I also believe that there may very well be other intelligent life out there in the universe. Given the current estimated age of the universe, other intelligent races may be millions (if not billions) of years ahead of us technically. If that is so and if an AGI singularity is possible, it stands to reason that such a thing would already have been created. If we go with the strongest definition of what the term "singularity" implies, then is the universe big enough for two? Eric B. Ramsay This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=11983 ----- This list is sponsored by AGIRI: http://www.agiri.org/email To unsubscribe or change your options, please go to: http://v2.listbox.com/member/?list_id=11983
