On Jun 28, 2007, at 5:18 PM, Tom McCabe wrote:
How do you get the "50% chance"? There is a 100%
chance of a mind waking up who has been uploaded, and
also a 100% chance of a mind waking up who hasn't.
This doesn't violate the laws of probability because
these aren't mutually exclusive. Asking which one "was
you" is silly, because we're assuming they're
completely identical at the instant they wake up;
they're both you. This is apparently something that
needs a lot of explaining; consciousness is not a
conserved quantity. If there was some magicky
consciousness "stuff" that either was uploaded or not
uploaded, then sure, you could talk about a 50%
probability of the upload being successful. But if we
define "successful" as "you wake up uploaded", and
"failure" as "you wake up not uploaded", then there is
a 100% (assuming the process always works technically)
probability of success and a 100% probability of
failure. Both possibilities refer to the *same
process*, to the exact same series of atoms getting
juggled back and forth. I recognize that this is
really confusing, but it seems to match what would
happen if you actually tried it.

Your "100%" is half of the total, which means you've
just relabeled "50%" as "100%", and claiming that it
means something that has to be explained.  That isn't
the case; it's just a label.

In half the cases of an individual (a copy, an instance,
or a process -- call it whatever you will) waking up,
the individual will be uploaded.  In half of such cases,
they won't be.

I assume that you're correct that there's no "magicky
consciousness stuff", which is why no one should
expect to wake up simultaneously experiencing both
outcomes at the same time.  I would expect that even
those who are pattern identity adherents will agree
that each copy will experience only his or her own
existence.

--
Randall Randall <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Someone needs to invent a Bayesball bat that exists solely for
 smacking people [...] upside the head." -- Psy-Kosh on reddit.com


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